[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The problem I have with ORMs is how you map queries, especially joins,
> to object space. RoR does this fairly well, and also (and more 
> importantly) let's you use SQL for the WHERE clause when required, with a 
> minimum of 
> fuss. 

SQLalchemy which can be used as the ORM layer in Django and TurboGears also 
allows this, although it should be done only with care.
 
> The Python ORMs try very hard to map everything to Python, with various 
> neat  tricks, but it's still harder than writing a little SQL.

But the result is often more maintainable and less prone to inadvertant 
security blunders than hand-written SQL (or SQL clauses), I find (and those who 
know a lot more about this tell me so too).

Tim C
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