Hi TimC,
Had a late night again with the division AGM dinner, but I will try
to address your concerns.
On 23/11/2006, at 7:22 AM, Tim Churches wrote:
kuang oon wrote:
Hi TimC,
The issues you raise gnaw at my heart every day. I have
consulted senior pastors
on these very issues.
With all due respect to (wo)men of the cloth, you might have done
better
consulting with lawyers rather than pastors on these matters. But the
right lawyers, of course - like pastors, they are not all cut from the
same cloth.
The older I get, the more I see things as spiritual issues.
I have consulted respected country GPs on these
same issues. There are multi-dimensional
issues involved. What you say makes sense in the long run. It is a
timing thing.
Like in chess, before the end game the gods have put the middle
game.
OK, but after 20 years of DOCLE and with SNOMED-CT licensed for
free use
nationally, and many value-adding efforts consequently lining up
behind
SNOMED, one could be forgiven for thinking that it is starting to look
like the end game for DOCLE.
...so I should cease and desist from all docle activities and use our
now 'free'
American learnings to make benefit glorious nation of e-health
Australia (cf http://www.boratonline.co.uk/ )
No. One game ends, another one is started. We will wait for the next
iteration.
You should have known by now that Australian GPs are by and large
recidivist, stubborn, eccentric and yet
have this equanimity.
I know these issues you raised are a stumbling block to you.
I know of your objections and your deep insights - and I meditate
on them.
But we Australians are great problem solvers and we will cut
through the
bull and solve them.
Kuangie, if you don't want to license DOCLE for general use, it is
up to
you, but I (and perhaps others) will continue to raise the lack of a
license each and every time you put DOCLE forward as a solution. As I
said, it is a matter or principle. I regard DOCLE is a mere curiosity,
but the principle of proper licensing of code sets is not - it is very
important.
Valid point here, read on.
In an earlier post, you wrote:'Otherwise your code set must remain a
mere curiosity, like an exhibit which has been
sitting for 20 years in a glass box in an obscure museum.'
Great use of metaphor.
The docle museum pieces are for display so that even blind Freddie can
see that diabm is a more meaningful representation of "diabetes
mellitus" than
a random string of numbers. He can retrieve all diabetics in his
clinic by issuing
a sql search with the following condition LIKE '%diabm%' .
The next step is to put kuangie in a glass cage and liberate the
docle codes.
You agitated for docle to be more open. I have stuck docle live tree
on the web.
It is a small start..... thanks to you and the promptings of Tony/David.
May I suggest that we concentrate on
1) health informatics as if the only thing that mattered is the
computer science
2)health interoperability as if the only thing that mattered is the
computer science
That would be OK if we lived in a world in which the only thing that
matters was computer science. But we don't. There are copyright laws,
and lawyers, and crazy notions of intellectual property protection and
so on, all of which confound the computer science unless proper
attention is paid to them. Also, as someone who put time,effort and I
dare say your own money into seeking patent protection for DOCLE, I
think that your suggestion that we all just concentrate on the
computer
science is a bit disingenuous.
I still stand by the above statements. I just put the money where my
mouth is because I thought
we were/are supposed to do that. The net result is that the bulk of
GPs in Australia, through HCN MD software,
enjoy quiet enjoyment in the use of a cutting edge health
representational system
that has the potential to scale any current and future health
informatics challenge.
I remain,
Yours sincerely,
Kuangie
http:// www.docle.com
Tim C
On 22/11/2006, at 7:06 AM, Tim Churches wrote:
kuang oon wrote:
Docle live tree is at: http://203.219.174.94
Outside it is dark.
I guess it is still night right now ;-))
Kuangie
Kuangie,
That's very nifty but it says at the top of the page:
"Docle Browser - (c) all rights reserved docle systems 1986-2006"
All reasonable interpretations would take that assertion of all
available rights under the Copyright Act to extend to the Docle
codes
displayed in the Docle Browser.
My understanding of the Australian Copyright act, having read it
several
times over the last few years, is that anyone else is thus
permitted to
view your Docle codes in the browser but not to copy them or
reproduce
them in any way, not even by cut-and-paste into in-house reporting
systems as David and Tony are setting up for themselves.
What you need to do is furnish the Docle codes with a suitable
license
which permits others, such as David and Tony, to make use of them.
Remember that the goal of copyright law is to prevent *any*
copying of
"works" such as your Docle codes. If, as in the case of Docle or
other
coding systems, copying is necessary to make any practical use of
them,
then you need to explicitly waive (rather than assert) certain of
your
rights under the Copyright Act, through a formal usage license.
Otherwise your code set must remain a mere curiosity, like an
exhibit
which has been sitting for 20 years in a glass box in an obscure
museum.
On the occasion of Docle's 20th birthday, it is interesting to
reflect
on what might have happened had you made Docle freely available
to all
god's children at its inception.
Tim C
On 21/11/2006, at 12:37 PM, kuang oon wrote:
On 21/11/2006, at 6:55 AM, David Guest wrote:
Tony Eviston wrote:
David Guest wrote:
suggestions. (Even Kuangie might be able to help me get the
best
out of
those docle codes. :-)
Is there a 'complete' listing of docle codes somewhere?
David & Tony et al,
What you are doing resonates with me....
I have some ajax scripts,
I got ruby/rails,
I have a static ip
I have stuff on mysql.
I will put a docle live tree on the web tonight.
GTG to see patients.
Cheers
Kuang
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