Yes I am aware of the FAQ, and it particular Q13.17 which says:
No, systems from OEM vendors are considered distinct products even when they embed IBM Spectrum Scale. They cannot be part of the same cluster as IBM licenses.
But if this statement is taken literally, then once a customer has bought say a Lenovo GSS/DSS-G, they are then "locked-in" to buying more storage other OEM/ESA partners (Lenovo, Bull, DDN, etc.), as above statement suggests that they cannot add IBM storage such as ESS to their GPFS cluster.
Daniel
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This has been publically documented in the Spectrum Scale FAQ Q13.17, Q13.18 and Q13.19.
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Richard Rupp, Sales Specialist, Phone: 1-347-510-6746"Daniel Kidger" ---04/06/2019 10:12:12 AM---There is a non-technical issue you may need to consider. IBM has set licensing rules about mixing in
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There is a non-technical issue you may need to consider.
IBM has set licensing rules about mixing in the same Spectrum Scale cluster both ESS from IBM and 3rd party storage that is licensed under ESA/OEM (Lenovo, DDN, Bull, Pixit et al.).
I am sure Carl Zetie or other IBMers who watch this list can explain the exact restrictions.
Daniel
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On 3 Apr 2019, at 19:47, Sanchez, Paul <[email protected]> wrote:Unless stated otherwise above:
- note though you can't have GNR based vdisks (ESS/DSS-G) in the same storage pool.
At one time there was definitely a warning from IBM in the docs about not mixing big-endian and little-endian GNR in the same cluster/filesystem. But at least since Nov 2017, IBM has published videos showing clusters containing both. (In my opinion, they had to support this because they changed the endian-ness of the ESS from BE to LE.)
I don't know about all ancillary components (e.g. GUI) but as for Scale itself, I can confirm that filesystems can contain NSDs which are provided by ESS(BE), ESS(LE), GSS, and DSS in all combinations, along with SAN storage based NSD servers. We typically do rolling upgrades of GNR building blocks by adding blocks to an existing cluster, emptying and removing the existing blocks, upgrading those in isolation, then repeating with the next cluster. As a result, we have had every combination in play at some point in time. Care just needs to be taken with nodeclass naming and mmchconfig parameters. (We derive the correct params for each new building block from its final config after upgrading/testing it in isolation.)
-Paul
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We have DSS-G (Lenovo equivalent) in the same cluster as other SAN/IB storage (IBM, DDN). But we don't have them in the same file-system.
In theory as a different pool it should work, note though you can't have GNR based vdisks (ESS/DSS-G) in the same storage pool.
And if you want to move to new block size or v5 variable sunblocks then you are going to have to have a new filesystem and copy data. So it depends what your endgame is really. We just did such a process and one of my colleagues is going to talk about it at the London user group in May.
Simon
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We are planning to add an ESS GL6 system to our existing Spectrum Scale cluster. Can the ESS nodes be added to existing scale cluster without changing existing cluster name? Or do we need to create a new scale cluster with ESS and import existing filesystems into the new ESS cluster?
Prasad Surampudi
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The ATS Group
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