- would it be possible to change the text:
"Placement as percentage of screen coordinates" to
"Size and placement as % of screen (should it be display?)
coordinates"?

I agree "coordinates" may be a bit redundant/confusing, but
grammatically it seems to want some word at the end.   ...?

I kept the coordinates - it just got wrapped to next line

I do like to spell out the whole word instead of just "%".

I am sorry, I have caused some confusion here - all what I wanted to be added is the word "size"
everything else can remain the same - so the suggested text could be:

Size and placement as percentage of screen coordinates


I changed percent to % because I thought that after adding the word Size the text will be too long

Technically it's relative to the current display frame. But
the new GUI/GRASS user knows nothing of the d.frame architecture.

that is exactly right, and it is not clear what is meant by screen, because the place on the computer screen where the legend is posted is called "Map Display"

Another problem is that once set you can drag the legend around
the wx.canvas, at which point only the range of the values you
gave have meaning, the absolute values become meaningless.

you are exactly right there too - so the at= option for the GUI user is there mostly to control the relative size of the legend (in a rather non-intuitive way, but people can deal with it). Placement still applies when you want your legend to be placed in a predefined location rather than move it by mouse - so "Size and placement" reflects well what the numbers do

Do you use xmons/d.frame in your course? is this complaint
related to that? As long as the legend overlay is not dragged
over the page, I think it should work as the GUI user would
expect.
?

Given that xmons are going away in GRASS7 and most students are on Windows 7 (forget labs with pre-installed software - students bring their own laptops to class these days)
I avoid xmon, although we use command line a lot.
And the firs thing users do is drag legend over the page as it is suggested by d.legend GUI
"Drag legend object with mouse in pointer mode to position"

I still use d.mon a lot in my research work because I am so used to it and a few things I still like better there, but I am trying to adapt to life without d.mon and Martin has been
doing a great job making it easier.

I am not asking for any big changes - just adding the word "Size" to the GUI for at= option.


Unless you read the man page very carefully it is hard to
find out how to size the legend.

is the "at: bottom,top,left,right" text not showing up above the
wxPy module GUI's at= entry box, as it does in the tcltk module
GUI? I thought Martin had implemented that recently.

yes it is there - but you need to have a pretty creative thinking to associate Placement as percentage of screen coordinates (0,0 is lower left) at=bottom,top,left,right with size. Most people read just the word Placement and then click "Use mouse to size and place legend"
Adding the word "Size" will make it much clearer.

My point here is that you try to focus the student attention to all kinds of sophisticated and advanced analysis and visualization and they get bogged down on legends and you cannot skip the legends because then the maps don't mean anything. It does not need too much and it will be great,

Helena


Hamish





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