Does this mean I should hole off upgrading to Sonoma for a bit? Michael Barton School of Human Evolution &Social Change School of Complex Adaptive System Science Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Arizona State University
...Sent from my iPad > On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:12 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> On 25 Sep 2023, at 12:30, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Niklas, >> >> >> thank you on the committed exploration of this issue, also independently >> verifying my own findings. >> > > I’m afraid this is a problem that will be a major issue in the time to come, > that we will have to deal with. Thank you for reporting! > > >> From a layperson perspective it does seem reasonable to me that macOS wanted >> apps to initialize through a conventionally made and signed binary, and >> would appreciate if your team would consider that. I hope Apple would offer >> free signing certificates, or even developer program memberships for open >> source projects. >> > > It will be difficult to make a “conventionally made” Mac application of > GRASS, but a "fully working as expected" and signed one is possible. We are > fully aware that the present solution isn’t optimal, but it has worked. So > far. Now, apparently we will have to invest the time and sweat for making it > right. > > >> By chance, did you check whether FreeCAD, the second app I encountered with >> an ARM release that caused the Rosetta dialog, has the same problem? >> > > Running `/Applications/FreeCAD.app/Contents/MacOS/FreeCAD` from Terminal does > work as well, so there is the same problem behind I guess. FreeCAD is however > code signed (so that’s not issue causing the Rosetta problem). > > > Nicklas > > > >> Their team never replied to my inquiry on X, but perhaps we could help get >> them started to fix this too. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Gregor >> >> >>>> On 2023-09-25, at 11:59 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Gregor, >>> >>> I now had the opportunity to test on macOS 14 RC and I can confirm this >>> issue. The problem seems related somehow to being initialised by a script. >>> >>> I __did___ manage to start GRASS via Terminal: >>> >>> >>> 1. Run `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>> >>> 2. System will complain… >>> >>> 3. Go to 'System Settings > Privacy & Security > Security' >>> >>> 4. In the settings I enabled GRASS to be allowed >>> >>> 5. From now on `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` will >>> work >>> >>> >>> This is only a workaround, I will look into how this can be solved >>> properly. Maybe we have to make a binary that does the job the script now >>> does (that used to be the case some time ago). We should also invest some >>> time in creating a code signed app as well. >>> >>> >>> Nicklas >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Sep 2023, at 11:01, Nicklas Larsson via grass-dev >>>> <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Gregor, thanks very much for the info! At least it ruled some things out, >>>> but I have still no idea what is causing this and it’s very difficult do >>>> the needed poking around without a similar setup (macOS 14 without Rosetta >>>> installed). I’ll have to ponder on this, if this really is caused by some >>>> change by macOS 14, a solution must be found sooner rather than later. >>>> >>>> An alternative way to install GRASS with native architecture for ARM is >>>> with MacPorts [1]. It does, however, involve some Terminal-batics! If you >>>> are in need for other GIS software like QGIS in particular, MacPorts is >>>> currently, in my experience, a most solid solution with available GRASS >>>> plugin (as there is no native official QGIS.app bundle for ARM). >>>> >>>> To be continued… >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nicklas >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Compiling_on_macOS_using_MacPorts__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7CtEnL2MQ$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 16:47, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Niklas, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> please find my answers below: >>>>> >>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>> >>>>> evidently still a universal binary, see this screenshot >>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.13.56?PM.png> >>>>> >>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>> >>>>> worked with no noticeable issues >>>>> >>>>>> /Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh >>>>> >>>>> produced the unverified developer warning as expected. Logically I could >>>>> and should probably override this, but with 10 years since my last time >>>>> coding, and having never learned the basics of UNIX, I would prefer to >>>>> follow the strictest Apple security guidelines, or sometimes perhaps >>>>> theater, when possible. >>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.21.07?PM.png> >>>>> >>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>> 14.0 >>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.33.25?PM.png> >>>>> >>>>>> file /usr/bin/sw_vers >>>>> universal binary >>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.31.23?PM.png> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Gregor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2023-09-20, at 9:52 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>> >>>>>> Browsing the content of both GRASS.app and the FreeCAD.app, they seem >>>>>> correctly to have been built for arm machines. Both are based on conda >>>>>> dependencies and both are initiated by shell script. >>>>>> >>>>>> The shell script initialising GRASS involves the use of >>>>>> '/usr/bin/osascript', which on macOS 12 is a universal binary. Perhaps >>>>>> something did change with this command, please test the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>>> >>>>>> (which should enter interactive mode, you may exit with Ctrl-C). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You could also try start GRASS manually from Terminal: >>>>>> >>>>>> `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>>>>> >>>>>> (That step may, however, be prevented because of the app being unsigned). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For control, the FreeCAD shell script contains the following command: >>>>>> >>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you try that? ’sw_vers' is also a universal binary on macOS 12. >>>>>> What will the following give: >>>>>> >>>>>> `file /usr/bin/sw_vers` >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Nicklas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2023, at 20:54, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been corresponding with this GRASS user about how the software >>>>>>> works with the new Apple ARM processors. Nicklas and I have compiled >>>>>>> GRASS for ARM processors successfully. These are posted on the GRASS >>>>>>> for Mac site >>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7Cxb64tyQ$ >>>>>>> ). When Gregor tries to launch GRASS under the new MacOS 14 (Sonoma) >>>>>>> he gets a notice that Rosetta (Intel processor emulator) is needed. >>>>>>> They launch on my ARM MacBook Pro with no notice, but I am not using >>>>>>> Sonoma yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions about what might be triggering this >>>>>>> notice at launch time? AFAIK, initialization only calls the following: >>>>>>> 1. shell launch script >>>>>>> 2. wxPython >>>>>>> 3. Python >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any other module or dependency that gets called at initial >>>>>>> launch (no maps displayed)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>> USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: GRASS GIS for Apple Silicon Macs >>>>>>>> Date: September 18, 2023 at 11:34:02 AM MST >>>>>>>> To: Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I suspect we have had another miscommunication. >>>>>>>> Let me list the specific steps that lead to the Rosetta prompt: >>>>>>>> - Download GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM or GRASS 8.4dev from your webpage >>>>>>>> - mount either downloaded Diskimage >>>>>>>> - copy the GRASS application file from the mounted DMG to the >>>>>>>> Applications folder >>>>>>>> - double click and launch the GRASS application >>>>>>>> - macOS shows a prompt to install Rosetta to continue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Obviously the prompt only appears when actually launching GRASS, the >>>>>>>> launch just never progresses past it, and no console or GUI can appear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To my eyes the OS behavior seems credible in this case, though I >>>>>>>> obviously have no insights beyond the regular UI level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could you send me an email contact to the GRASS dev list. I frankly >>>>>>>> never understood how these lists work, I assume some kind of e-mail >>>>>>>> chain, but I noticed no actual e-mail addresses on the main GRASS >>>>>>>> webpage, only on your Mac distribution site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 8:20 PM, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I lean toward this being a bug in the beta at the moment. The reason >>>>>>>>> is that installing GRASS should not raise a Rosetta request, at least >>>>>>>>> until you run GRASS. This is because GRASS is organized as a set of >>>>>>>>> independent modules, overlayed with an optional GUI. Running GRASS >>>>>>>>> invokes a shell script (that should not require Rosestta, since it >>>>>>>>> launches an ARM terminal) and than the GUI in Python 3 and wxPython. >>>>>>>>> But these should also be ARM compatible. It is possible that one or >>>>>>>>> more of the >300 individual modules or dependencies require Rosetta. >>>>>>>>> But these should not call Rosetta until they are launched. Also, they >>>>>>>>> are mostly in C and Python, with some C++ code--all of which was >>>>>>>>> compiled under ARM tools. You might post this question to the GRASS >>>>>>>>> dev list. It is hard to say what is causing this message to appear in >>>>>>>>> your beta when nothing is launched. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Understood! >>>>>>>>>> If possible, and if you deem it worth it, I would kindly ask you to >>>>>>>>>> eventually address this presumed issue. >>>>>>>>>> Apple Silicon Mac users like myself will probably avoid to install >>>>>>>>>> the Rosetta framework also in the future, as more and more apps get >>>>>>>>>> native releases. >>>>>>>>>> Obviously, as you offer your work voluntarily and for free, I have >>>>>>>>>> no way to make demands, I simply submit the suggestion for your >>>>>>>>>> consideration. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Furthermore I would truly hope for someone to develop a lightweight >>>>>>>>>> iPadOS map authoring app in the future, as foremost the interface, >>>>>>>>>> paired with Apple Pencil, just fits graphics and geometry oriented >>>>>>>>>> work very naturally, and I personally see the entire system >>>>>>>>>> architecture as much more pleasant and intuitive. Lastly I would >>>>>>>>>> really hope that land survey work can escape the ruthless grip of >>>>>>>>>> proprietary software platforms like the Autodesk apps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 4:19 AM, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information. This is helpful. It is possible that >>>>>>>>>>> a dependency somewhere in the app needs Rosetta. However, the app >>>>>>>>>>> is compiled with the ARM SDK and an ARM build environment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I use an M2 MacBook Air purchased from Apple.com, running Sonoma >>>>>>>>>>>> Beta. >>>>>>>>>>>> The machine shipped with Rosetta excluded from the macOS >>>>>>>>>>>> installation as standard. >>>>>>>>>>>> For that reason launching any Intel app will show me a prompt to >>>>>>>>>>>> first download and install Rosetta, with a GB amount noted, >>>>>>>>>>>> between 5-10 GB if I remember correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your GRASS Apple ARM binaries both show that same Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>> installation prompt upon launch, with no other way to proceed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In comparison, most other Apple Silicon labelled app binaries I >>>>>>>>>>>> tried, eg. Solvespace, run with no Rosetta prompt and requirement, >>>>>>>>>>>> as expected. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, as mentioned before, a second Apple Silicon labelled app >>>>>>>>>>>> binary, FreeCAD, also causes the Rosetta prompt on my system, >>>>>>>>>>>> making the possibility of a Sonoma Beta bug a bit more likely. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, AFAIK, have already reached the RC phase of the Beta period >>>>>>>>>>>> though, and I have encountered this issue with no other apps than >>>>>>>>>>>> these two. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I found this article picturing the Rosetta 2 install prompt I >>>>>>>>>>>> mention, proving the veracity of my account, in addition to all >>>>>>>>>>>> but confirming the suspected difficulty to remove it after >>>>>>>>>>>> installation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> GH >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:28 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac ARM does not require Rosetta. I am using it on my MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro 2023 without Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you mean by keeping your system free of Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>> or changes in your system installation. I'm running MacOS 13.5.1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> AFAIK, there is no Mac OS installation option to include or not >>>>>>>>>>>>> include Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS makes no changes to the OS. All dependencies are within the >>>>>>>>>>>>> app. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no practical way to run GRASS since the Mac ARM version >>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires Rosetta. I want to keep my system free of Rosetta, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any irreversible changes it might make in my system installation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to run GRASS I would need an actual Apple Silicon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> native binary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I read the question correctly this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:13 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You misunderstand my question. Did you try to import a DWG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into GRASS? If so, what steps did you go through and what was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output in the console? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIchael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 5:29 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hours of online research, this stackoverflow post mentioning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GDAL as at least one possible DWG GeoJSON bridge, and finding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS as one of the only actively maintained Mac compatible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GIS tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it puzzling that AutoDesk themselves offer almost no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export format choices for AutoCAD for Mac, see this support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article, and no JSON export for somewhat more capable Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 2:16 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am asking how you are trying to import DWG files in GRASS? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What steps dod you go through? You must have done something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to get the behavior you are asking about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous experience with GRASS, I can specify no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific modules. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I simply wanted to find an Apple Silicon compatible map >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authoring tool that allowed me to, import, view and edit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property line geometry from a DWG file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might have misjudged the feature scope of GRASS for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to listing a release as “Apple ARM”, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to only contain fully ARM native code, and no x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> architecture dependencies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really see no room for negotiation or interpretation here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 1:27 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are up to date. The ARM apps are set up to not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require Rosetta for normal GRASS modules. However, whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not a piece of code will run natively with Apple Silicon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends on how that code was developed and its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies. I am compiling the normal GRASS source code, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however it is designed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say that you "hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the DWG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to GeoJSON conversion and editing". Which GRASS modules are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you using for this? If it is a regular GRASS module, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best bet is to contact the developer who is maintaining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that module or to post your question on the GRASS dev list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM, 23/6/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.4dev Apple ARM, 23/8/14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both downloaded today from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/download . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both prompted for Rosetta during launch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U subsequently did encounter the same unexpected Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prompt from the Mac ARM version 0.21.1 of freecad , so who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows whether macOS Sonoma does trigger some unexpected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatibility. Other third party Apple Silicon, ARM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases run just fine though, eg. solvespace and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything published on the App Store of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-16, at 8:12 PM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell me which version you downloaded, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded it, and when it was compiled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prof. Barton, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for maintaining GRASS GIS bundles for, indeed, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world’s best computers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous GIS experience, but have come to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a way of converting positioning data, delivered to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me in 3D DWG format from a land survey assignment, to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGES or STEP, and GeoJSON for further use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the DWG to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GeoJSON conversion and editing side, but your most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent listed stable and development Apple ARM releases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have both asked for Rosetta ton run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May I ask you to help me understand why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do run the latest MacOS Sonoma Beta, I see no reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how or why this should affect Rosetta requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grass-dev mailing list >>>> grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7AoFKuSDg$ >>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ grass-dev mailing list grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev
