*December 13's Bodily Fluids*

*By Arundhati Roy & Amit Sengupta*

10 January, 2007
*Countercurrents.org*


*O*n December 13, 2001, the Indian Parliament was attacked by five (some say
six) armed men. Five years later we still do not know who was behind the
attack and the identity of the attackers. Civil society groups have pointed
out that the police violated legal safeguards, fabricated evidence and
extracted false confessions. Even the Supreme Court rejected the
'confession' of Afzal Guru, which was repeatedly telecast by irresponsible
TV channels and presumed as stage-managed media plants by the Special
Police. Earlier, a Delhi-based academic, Professor SAR Geelani, was falsely
implicated and almost led to the hangman's noose, despite stunningly thin
evidence against him. There was a big campaign against the death penalty,
led by novelist Arundhati Roy, social scientist Rajni Kothari, among other
eminent citizens. He was acquitted. Till today, as Roy asks, no one knows
the identity of the five (or six?) attackers. Was it an inside job, this
interview puts this question to Roy? No one knows and no one can claim
anything with clear evidence, because a huge web of propaganda, lies and
half-lies have been fabricated by the establishment, police, intelligence
agencies and the media in India.

As of now, Afzal Guru has been sentenced to death, accused as part of the
'conspiracy', though no direct evidence about his involvement has been
found. There is a big campaign for a retrial because he did not even have
legal representation at the trial court, though the BJP is clamouring for
his blood. How can you hang someone without even a legal trial?

Arundhati Roy launched in a jam-packed auditorium, on December 12 in Delhi,
a new book, published by Penguin, 13 December, A Reader: The Strange Case of
the Attack on the Indian Parliament. The Reader brings together 15 incisive
essays by academics, journalists and lawyers, who look at the available
facts and raise serious questions about the dubious investigations and the
not-so-fair trial of the Parliament attack case. The Reader includes an
introduction by Roy. The writers prove that not a single piece of evidence
stands up to scrutiny and emphasise the urgent need for an inquiry into the
Parliament attack that led to a military stand-off with Pakistan, threat of
a nuclear war in the subcontinent and hundreds of meaningless deaths, apart
from crores lost in this act of war. Roy has asked 13 hard-hitting questions
that will put the political establishment and the thick-skinned 'embedded
media' in much embarrassment. But the uncanny question remains: will they
still hang Afzal, despite no legal representation, and flimsy evidence?

*Is the 'fundamentalist' Islamic threat a real or fake one, or has it been
invented by the Indian establishment's propaganda machinery and intelligence
agencies? *

It's not entirely fake nor is it entirely real. Robert Pape, in his book
Dying to Win, talks of how an overwhelming majority of suicide bombers are
actually fighting neo-colonial military occupation. I think this is very
revealing. What we see as the threat of 'Islamic terrorism' or 'Islamic
fundamentalism' has a lot to do with liberation struggles in which Islam is
used as an instrument of mobilisation — extremely effectively. Using
religion or ethnic identity to mobilise people in liberation struggles is
not new. The other aspect of Islamic 'fundamentalism' is that when people,
who see themselves as belonging to a particular ethnic group or religion
begin to feel oppressed, occupied, unfree, dominated by the 'other', it
often radicalises them and they turn inward.

The third more complex aspect of it is that 'Islamic fundamentalism' now has
such a bad name that it is used to discredit those fighting an occupation.
And therefore, actually cultivated by the 'occupier'. This happened early on
with Hamas in Palestine, which was used to discredit the more secular
Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). It happens in all sorts of complex
ways in Kashmir, because if they can portray the resistance as a bunch of
mad, fanatic terrorists bent on the destruction of the world, then that's
most of the battle won. For all the talk of 'Islamic fundamentalism' in
Kashmir, you see more women in burqas (veils) in Mumbai or Old Delhi than
you do in Kashmir. You see women more oppressed in rural Bihar than in the
Kashmir Valley. But the harder and more brutal the army boot, the more
people are going to retreat into intolerance and obscurantism.


*What is your take on Islamic 'terrorist' organisations like the
Lashkar-e-Toiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad? *

I'm not an expert on the Lashkar or the Jaish. All I can say is that in
Kashmir not everybody looks at them as 'terrorist' organisations. Many see
them as part of a liberation struggle. Obviously they are viewed here (in
Delhi) differently from the way they are viewed there.


*How will you react if school-going children are killed in the heart of
Srinagar by a bomb blast? *

With unmitigated horror. But I would have absolutely no idea who did it by
reading/watching the press/media reports. It could be militants, but
equally, it could be the security forces, the police or the renegades, or
surrendered militants often working with the police. That's how things have
become. It's hard to know what to believe anymore. What's worse, it's hard
for people to tell the truth anymore, they're just too vulnerable. Kashmir
is a valley that is awash in soldiers, militants, weapons, ammunition,
spies, double agents, intelligence agencies, NGOs and unimaginable sums of
unaccounted for money. The strangest things happen. The army runs orphanages
and sewing centres.

The Union home ministry of the central government has a television channel.
It's hard to tell who's working for whom, who's being used by whom.
Sometimes people themselves don't know who they're working for or who
they've been set up by.

*Do you think Muslims are being systematically targetted in India? *

Yes. Isn't that what the Sachar report has exposed, unambiguously (The
Sachar report, constituted by a prime ministerial committee, has documented
that Indian Muslims are one of the poorest, most backward, unrepresented in
high or middle jobs and extremely illiterate and impoverished community.) As
for Gujarat, what's going on there now ought to count as a crime against
humanity. After the bloodbath of 2002 (there was an anti-Muslim genocide in
Gujarat, organised and executed by right wing Hindu forces led by the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which also controlled the central and federal
state government), in which more than 2,000 Muslims were systematically
slaughtered in broad daylight, and 1,50,000 driven from their homes, now
Muslims, far from being rehabilitated, are being ghettoised and
systematically ground down and driven out of the state. And there's dead
silence from our current 'secular' government (United Progressive Alliance
government led by the Congress backed by the Left). Dead silence from the
Left Front. The 2002 violence was visible. This invisible,
non-physically-violent form of fascism is equally horrifying. We seem to be
rapidly moving towards talking of Muslims only as either victims or
terrorists. I think we're sitting on a time bomb.

 *Do you think the December 13 attack on Parliament was an inside job? *

That presumes we know what's 'inside' and what's 'outside'. I don't think we
do. If you journey through the layers that are laid over each other,
starting, say, from the clearly distinguishable ones — the Parliament, the
judiciary, the mass media — by the time you get to the lower layers of the
security apparatus in Kashmir, the Special Task Force (STF), the Special
Operations Group (SOG), they become porous, osmotic; they blur into the
universe of renegades, surrendered militants, informers, spies… Eventually
there's a sort of exchange of bodily fluids.

This is what is being revealed in the case of the Parliament attack. We
don't know who was behind it. What we do know is that the official version
just doesn't hold up. What we do know is that arrest memos were fabricated,
evidence was tampered with, lies were told and confessions were extracted
under torture. Why? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to guess that
when someone lies, they're trying to cover something up. We'd like to know
what that is. We have a right to know.



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"Ours is a battle not for wealth or for power.
It is a battle for freedom. It is a battle for the reclamation of human
personality."
- Dr BR Ambedkar
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