dear bobby,
a private mail -celebrated as abusive - was cut,pasted and posted in three
public forums.
almost everyone condemns it and the person appologizes in public.
but responses to your public questions were sent to your private id - with
allegations about the public discussion and discussants.
at the same time mails ridiculing the chengara struggle are forwarded in
public.
i think this raises serious questions about our notions about public/private,
rights and democracy.
how far is our inbox from such questions?
Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Sanjeev
I really do not know Mr. GPR personally for him to send me any private
mails. I posted his mail to me in the public domain, because I felt that it
formed a part of the ongoing discussion - particularly where instituions like
Delhi Forum and movements like Chengara was sought to be put on the dock.
In that context, if GPR or anyone else has valid concerns either about
Chengara or Delhi Forum or any other group or indiviuals, I think we ought to
listen and engage. I do not mind being abused as a mercenary, if thats the
price for my politcal convictions
Warm regards
On 31/03/2008, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dear bobby,
since mr g.p ramachandran refuses to engage with this public forum i wish you
wont post his private mails - that literally and figuratively abuses other
discussants as mercenaries - here.
Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree we need to discuss Poland, Gujarat, Tibet, Palestine et al to
understand politics. But what I do not understand is the backlash on a group of
landless dalits and adivasis demanding land in Kerala and "guilt by
association" that is being thrown at them
What I am yet to understand is how CIA is involved
What I am yet to understand is how is the character of the people on the Night
Vigil determined by women smoking or their sexuality and that determining the
nature of the struggle at Chengara
Wht I am yet to understand is the guilt of Delhi Forum in applying for funds to
AID and how that reverberates on Chengara
What I am yet to understand is the defamatory spiel
Hope you could help me make the connections
On 30/03/2008, Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
dear bobby
my problem still exists. U CANNOT TALK ABOUT GUJARAT OR PALESTINE WHEN
WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT CHENGARA AND THE NIGHT VIGIL. this was the
basic attitude of people like dilipraj and the abusive mail sender
etc. their mental level is at par with sreenivasan of sandesam.
polandine kurichu samsaarikkaruthu.
regards
gp.ramachandran
On 3/30/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and one more point - moderators correct me if I am wrong - greenyouth does
> not work on exclusivity like the fourth estate critique.
> Binu Thomas would be welcome to make his posts here by acquiring membership
>
>
>
> On 30/03/2008, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear GPR
> > Whats the point?
> > How does a delhi based NGO's funding proposal make the Chengara struggle
> CIA backed. This mail sounds shrill and defamatory. Nothing better or worse
> than the threatening mail you got.
> > Instead of discussing the merits of the Chengara struggle, we are
> discussing possiblities of external funding.
> > A metaphor I hope that you might understand - what deshabhimani and this
> kind of mails do is to put the rape victim on the dock and question her
> character - as if anyone deserves to be raped.
> > Long live the questions that Chengara has thrown open
> > I would like it if you would respomd this time
> > In solidarity
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30/03/2008, Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all
> > > this is mail posted to me since binu thomas has not got a membership
> > > in the google groups. please read it.
> > > G P Ramachandran
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: binu thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Mar 29, 2008 2:29 AM
> > > Subject: Delhi is not far away from chengara!!!
> > > To: Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Delhi is not far away from chengara!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Anivar says
> > >
> > > It is a grant proposal by an organization in Delhi
> > >
> > > Ok, I agreed
> > >
> > > And there is the pulp
> > >
> > > This delhi based organization's operation office is here in thiruvalla
> > >
> > > They collects the forgine aids via thiruvalla bank!! ( see its FCRA
> details)
> > >
> > > And here its email id changes to DYNAMIC ACTION- THE HEAVY FUNDED
> > > ACTION GROUP!!!
> > >
> > > Delhi based organization's coordinator visited chengara with his
> > > group and arranged to film the movement the update collective the
> > > magazine brought out by this Delhi based organization published appeal
> > > seeking financial support for chengara struggle
> > >
> > > And not the part -u have to send doncations to
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dynamic action and Programme for social action -both are the parental
> > > bodies of this delhi based funding child!!!! So money is going to
> > > same pocket
> > >
> > > Along with grant proposals this film is circulating among many donor
> > > agencies. 'some forums' other that the poor people shouting slogans in
> > > chengara battle land is gaining out of it
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > more than of these please note the working committee members of DF
> > >
> > > first name in Working Committee is
> > >
> > > Fr. Thomas Kocherry (World Forum of Fisher Peoples &
> > >
> > > Convener, Peoples' Political Front / NAPM, India)
> > >
> > > Most of us know who is this ACHAN
> > >
> > > If anyone need to know more about him
> > >
> > > Please read the following news link
> > > It was posted in greenyouth list none other than ANIVAR
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Anivar Aravind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 12:19 PM
> > > Subject: <<green youth>> Fwd: NGOs cross swords over tsunami relief
> dollars
> > > To: [email protected],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > NGOs cross swords over tsunami relief dollars
> > >
> > >
> > > Arun Jayan/ Thiruvananthapuram
> > > the pioneer
> > > 17.12.2005
> > >
> http://dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=KOCHI&file_name=KOCHI1%2Etxt&counter_img=1
> > >
> > >
> > > Infighting among non-governmental oraganisations is becoming murkier.
> > > Be it in the Adivasi community or among fishermen, or any other areas,
> > > such as ecology, culture, herbs, rustic know-how or AIDS, the NGOs of
> > > late are engaged in a pitched battle as they attach more importance to
> > > the inflow of dollars and euros than to the cause they are projecting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Literate Kerala had witnessed many such feuds
> > > that led to splitting NGO groups, such as Mithra Niketan, Samskriti,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Even priests and nuns seem to be after big
> > > money as is evident from the latest bickering in the World Forum of
> > > Fisher Peoples. Fr Thomas Kochery, known as the champion of the
> > > fisherfolks' cause, is very much involved in this forum as a special
> > > invitee. The organisation is on the verge of a spilt if the
> > > allegations and counter-allegations coming from within the WFFP,
> > > Kerala chapter, are anything to go by.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The rift has reached such serious dimensions
> > > that WFFP secretary Sr Cecily Plathottam, is under police protection.
> > > Addressing newsmen in Thiruvananthapuram, Sr Cecily, who was
> > > accompanied by two women cops, accused Fr Kochery of embezzling
> > > tsunami funds. She also says her life is under threat ever since she
> > > questioned his way of spending funds received for the welfare of the
> > > fisherfolk.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She alleged that Fr Kochery had received more
> > > than Rs 100 crore from various foreign funding agencies for the
> > > rehabilitation of tsunami-affected fishermen. "However, he is not
> > > ready to clarify as to what he did with this money," she said. She
> > > added that Mr Herman Kumara, general secretary of WFFP, was diverting
> > > the money to his personal account under the direction of Thomas
> > > Kochery.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Madurai-based NGO Muhil and a
> Redemptorist
> > > community in Manavalakurichy in Kanyakumari and National Fishworkers'
> > > Forum (NFF) are handling the fund but there are no specific records
> > > for the money spent on the project. What I demand is that they should
> > > clarify about the total money that was funded by foreign agencies and
> > > how much had been spent and how it was spent," she said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She added that since she was speaking about
> > > the misuse of money flowing into these NGOs, she was facing threat
> > > from many corners. However, an action council formed in defence of Fr
> > > Thomas Kochery, having its office at Manavalakurichy, said that Fr
> > > Kochery widely publicised the needs of the tsunami-affected people,
> > > giving details of the extent of damages, as it was known at that time,
> > > and a rough estimate of the amount of money that might be needed for
> > > the rehabilitation work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > He did not send any project proposal to any
> > > funding agency. In his appeal, he had given the addresses of some of
> > > the NGOs and church organisations, both in India and Sri Lanka, who
> > > had FCRA numbers and who were willing to receive funds and account for
> > > them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > His intention in circulating the needs of the
> > > time was not to collect funds himself, but to enthuse possible donors
> > > to come forward and make their contribution to any agency or NGO who
> > > had the facility to receive foreign funds and had the infrastructure
> > > to do relief and rehabilitation work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, they said that WFFP was an
> > > international forum. Though Fr Thomas Kochery is acclaimed as a leader
> > > of the fisher peoples all over the world, he is not the coordinator of
> > > the WFFP as Sr Cecily mentions in the accusation, they added.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "The WFFP bank account is in France and that
> > > is controlled by a treasurer who is French, two coordinators, one a
> > > New Zealander and the other a Senegalese, and the general secretary,
> > > who is a Sri Lankan. Thus, Fr Kochery will not be able to state as to
> > > what exactly was the effect of the appeal he made," the action
> > > committee said in the statement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fr Kochery, who was in Honk Kong, when
> > > contacted by The Pioneer, was in full agreement with the action
> > > council and clarified that people of goodwill would ignore the
> > > malicious propaganda that some persons, for reasons known to
> > > themselves, were going against him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, Kerala Matsya
> Thozilali Fedaration
> > > president T Peter said that he or his organisation had no role in the
> > > controversies erupting over the misappropriation of tsunami fund and
> > > that he wishes to keep off from the heated arguments made in this
> > > regard. "KMTF is a political organisation working for the cause of
> > > fisherfolk. We have not received any foreign money and we will not
> > > accept any and as for the controversies regarding the tsunami fund, it
> > > is their internal matter."
> > >
> > > > Bobby Kunhu
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