Dear Afthab,Damodar Prasad and Saleem, Kshamikkanam. Njan oru 'quotation' sangathe irakkunnu. Sahakarikkumallo :-)
In his brief introduction to "Anti Oedipus' Foucault summarises the arguments in the book.Two of them may be relevant in our context. "Do not think that one has to be sad in order to be militant, even though the thing one fighting is abominable. It is the connection of desire to reality ( and not its retreat into the forms of representation) that possesses revolutionary force." " Do not use thought to ground a political practice in Truth; nor political action to discredit , as mere speculation , a line of thought. " "Do not demand of politics that it restore the 'rights ' of the individual, as philosophy has defined them.The individual is the product of power.What is needed is to "de-individualize"by means of multiplication and displacement, diverse combinations. The group must not be the organic bonnd uniting hierarchised individuals , but a constant generator of de-individulisation." I think as Anti Oedipus, this group confronts three adversaries. The political ascetics, the sad militants, the terrorists of theory, those who would preserve the pure order of politics and political discourse. "Bureaucrats of the revolution and civil servants of Truth". Let me repeat the questions highlioghted by Foucault. " How does one keep from being fascist, even (especially) when one believes oneself to be arevolutionary militant? How do we rid our speech and our acts , our hearts and our pleasures , of fascism?" Let this group be a madhouse.Let us practice the art of living counter to all forms of fascism.. On 4/28/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Salim, > > Answer.com gives me following meanings > > > 1. *Offensive.* An institution for the mentally ill. > 2. *Informal.* A place of great disorder and confusion. > > I might have taken the wrong meaning. > > Thanks > Afthab > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi aftab, > > what u said of social exclusion as part of sanity and order is right about > > mental hospital. madhouse is not referred here as mental hospital. > > > > On 4/28/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Both prison and madhouse are the result of exclusion by the forces of > > > sanity and order.. Are we satisfied by this status? And who authorizes > this > > > status? > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:06 AM, ahmed rafeek j > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree..this is a madhouse. Problem is, how communication will be > > > > possible among > > > > different worlds/ realities. > > > > > > > > You insist on reason.. me on emotion!! > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM, damodar prasad > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/08, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > "Cal it formal democracy, let green youth be not a venue cloned > > > > similar to > > > > > > > the "restrictive democracy forums" you indicate." > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow!! I admire that imaginative coinage, SCZ. > > > > > > > > > > > > But am sorry to disagree with you completely on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is only your allegation that Greenyouth is/tending to/becoming > > > > an SCZ. > > > > > > You have to substantiate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are indicating that my response to Mr.GPRamachandran > > > > triggers > > > > > > this 'tendency", > > > > > > aren't you imposing a dominant structural role to me, which is > > > > opposed > > > > > > to reality? > > > > > > I am only one member with equal rights/ limtations. Do you say > > > > that > > > > > refusing to > > > > > > comment on a specific post is undemocratic?( To be frank, I am not > > > > at > > > > > > all interested in entertaining Mr. G.P.Ramachandran)Do you > > > > personally > > > > > > find my interventions as fascist? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it so that your worry about greenyouth becoming SCZ is > > > > backed by > > > > > other > > > > > > structural analysis going beyond my personal post?What is wrong in > > > > > > most of the members expressing their support to a specific cause? > > > > If > > > > > > you care to go through the > > > > > > discussions , certain members like you always intervened to make > > > > sure > > > > > > that G.P.Ramachandran could take part in it. But he refused to.. > > > > Even > > > > > > those who stood for him came out with political attacks against > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Accepted it is near to impossible to convert this group into a scz. > > > > the > > > > > reality the scz and this offers are different: one is a prison, the > > > > other a > > > > > madhouse. I prefer madhouse. Here at least I feel safe from the > > > > exactions of > > > > > power politicians. ( anticipatory apologies for madhouse usage.. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you criticising my post o the nature of this group? I am eager > > > > to know > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 12:42 PM, damodar prasad > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Date: Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: [GreenYouth] Re: > > > > GPramachandran > > > > > against > > > > > > > "Grand Anti Communist Alliance"!! > > > > > > > To: ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/08, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Riding roughshod over a person because he has a different > > > > take on the > > > > > > > issues " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be frank, my feeling while reading his article is not that > > > > it is a > > > > > > > > "different" take on an issue. > > > > > > > > It is very easy and fashionable to stand for 'formal' > > > > democracy, > > > > > > > > especially when somebody > > > > > > > > 'acts' the victim role effectively. G.P.Ramachandran's > > > > strategy is > > > > > > > > successful in extracting this sort of support from liberals. > > > > He feigns > > > > > > > > victimhood thrugh careful evasion/ selection in Greenyouth and > > > > other > > > > > > > > discussion forums and spearheads hate campaigns against > > > > political > > > > > > > > adversaries in forums where there are no option for any > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In certain special cultural zones (scz), abusing the political > > > > > adversaries > > > > > > > (which includes all sorts of vilification like what you call > > > > branding) > > > > > and > > > > > > > restricting any response is a "privilege" extended only to a > > > > "few". > > > > > (*BY > > > > > > > "few", I mean being part of a group by way of nomination, > > > > precluding > > > > > other > > > > > > > modes of election or selection criteria). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But let green youth not be a SCZ. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cal it formal democracy, let green youth be not a venue cloned > > > > similar > > > > > to > > > > > > > the "restrictive democracy forums" you indicate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > Do you believe that Chinta will publish responses to party > > > > > > > > propaganda?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always felt irritated while reading EMS's column in Chinta > > > > because > > > > > > > > he always misqotes/ vaulgarises opponents' arguments and then > > > > go on to > > > > > > > > brand them, which amount to total lack of intellectual > > > > honesty.G P > > > > > > > > Ramachandran is worse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, at such polemical points, I personally can't engage in any > > > > > > > > dialougue with anybody. Did you read this particular article > > > > by > > > > > > > > GPRamachandran? > > > > > > > > Now I have started reading chinta and there is a second part > > > > to his > > > > > > > > article in the new issue. (NO Comments) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When many responsible individuals argued/ exposed his > > > > allegation > > > > > > > > against Chengara struggle in this forum, he didn't care to > > > > explain/ > > > > > > > > counter those points. But reemerged in party oorgan and > > > > repeated the > > > > > > > > same allegation. So, such evasions and intolerence is > > > > > > > > not in the least a problem to liberals like you because it is > > > > > > > > 'decent'. ( and deployed against > > > > > > > > a mass of people, not an 'individual with 'different' > > > > standpoint) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I am not competent enough to counter your position > > > > > > > > philosophically but I feel there is a deep sense of > > > > insensitivity in > > > > > > > > the political correctness of liberalism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well. you confer victimhood on him, just because the feeble > > > > retorts > > > > > > > > are a bit direct and sincere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you on your part stay away from engaging his writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlike older EMS Chinta days, today at least we have foerums > > > > like this > > > > > > > > at least where > > > > > > > > traditional left could not enjoy intellectual hegemony that > > > > easily. We > > > > > > > > will speak back, at least in this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya, I am exposing myself, somebody with emotions, somebody who > > > > can't > > > > > > > > stand the intolerent and dishonest manner of delegetimising > > > > political > > > > > > > > opponets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still stand by the position in my previous mail. Unless G P > > > > > > > > Ramachandran engages with > > > > > > > > the explanations given aginst his earlier allegation against > > > > Chengara > > > > > > > > struggle ( posted in this forum) , I won't respond to his > > > > request to > > > > > > > > comment on this new article. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my humble but adamant decision. If that undermines the > > > > whole > > > > > > > > edifice of democracy, > > > > > > > > .....angane aayikkotte... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM, damodar prasad > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rafeek ahmed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/26/08, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really expect "comments' on this stuff? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believ that this is a way to initiate a dialogue? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such insinuating remark is reprehensible. In a very similar > > > > vein to > > > > > that > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > CPIM, you may have invented some criteria to engage in a > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > Riding > > > > > > > > > roughshod over a person because he has a different take on > > > > the > > > > > issues > > > > > > > > > concerned disproves your own deep concerns of democratic > > > > engagement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a dialogue, you must at least show the decency to be > > > > > > > > > > responsible in puting forward arguments and respond to > > > > > criticisms.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never showed willingness to engage in any dialogue > > > > with any of > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > here till now ( except for this latest gesture of > > > > forwarding your > > > > > > > article) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I should wait till listening from you before > > > > making any > > > > > > > > > > comments on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be frank, your take has no debatable points except for > > > > > > > > > > reiterarting the oft repeated allegations aginst > > > > > > > > > > struggling people and political opponents.. I don't think > > > > anybody > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > a debate to see the baselessness of it. You are exposing > > > > > yourself.. > > > > > > > > > > So much so good > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you yourself state (a sophisticated form of liberal > > > > gesture) > > > > > that > > > > > > > "I > > > > > > > > > shall wait till listening from you......." And then concludes > > > > > > > > > by > > > > saying: > > > > > > > "your > > > > > > > > > take has no debatable points....and you are xposing > > > > > > > > > yourself..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind, everyone is exposing one self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/25/08, Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who are interested and got time may read the full > > > > text of > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > article and comment. my article is available in > > > > > > > > > > > http://ulkazhcha.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/25/08, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but why are we still afraid of realizing the 'fascist' > > > > > elements of > > > > > > > > > > > > 'marxism' itself, which creates dictators like stalin, > > > > mao, > > > > > > > castro, > > > > > > > > > > > > pinarayi, kim sung (sorry for the spelling), vs, > > > > budhadeb.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isnt it the marxism itself by its logic of necessity > > > > rejects > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > social agents other than the 'economic class'? the > > > > same logic > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > hard to incorporate all struggles of blacks, women, > > > > sexual > > > > > > > minorities > > > > > > > > > > > > and dalits to create their own political subjectivity > > > > and > > > > > public > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > > > > into the axis of class struggle.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at least, people at struggle in Chengara, nandigram, > > > > (may be > > > > > in > > > > > > > tibet) > > > > > > > > > > > > realize the real marxist opression.. china and chavez > > > > > > > > > > > > together...pinarayi and budhadeb.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/24/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think we should read Pinarayi and VS before > > > > acquanitng > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > writings of Stalin and Lenin... bz communism in > > > > kerala means > > > > > > > > > Pinarayi and V > > > > > > > > > > > > > S.... even marx comes after them only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > why? bz they r there to theorise the future of the > > > > toiling > > > > > > > millions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/24/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fairly unread - illiterate , but why should I > > > > read > > > > > > > Stalin? I > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > > am prejudiced that he was a fascixst dictator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , you just collect that book and > > > > try to > > > > > read. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wondering why stalin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i believe he was a fascist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. I believe in scientic knowledge. So I am > > > > > watching > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > wordings > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:37 PM, ahmed > > > > rafeek j > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > innocent thoughts....a complete knowledge > > > > will > > > > > lead to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth, a teacher can enlighten you for > > > > better > > > > > > > unerstanding > > > > > > > > > of pure > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flawless marxim....but potential to take > > > > shape of > > > > > > > fascism > > > > > > > > > at any > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth is not somewher existing waiting for > > > > us to > > > > > > > unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone are the days of enlightenment.... > > > > 'truth' is > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constructed through our own > > > > > discourses...discourses > > > > > > > > > dictate our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truths..that's why i became anti-communist > > > > and > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > became pure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communist (with a bit less knowledge) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/08, JAYARAJAN. C.N. < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marx , Mao are just like Bobby and > > > > Appunni. Ask > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Universal truth? what is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said that I am not expert in this > > > > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because, I am telling all these things > > > > with > > > > > partial > > > > > > > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > > > > > > > with errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I am not a teacher in this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, communist history is > > > > full of > > > > > > > rights > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrongs. So Marx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may fail to analyse caste equation. > > > > Lenin may > > > > > fail > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > analyise > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > democratic content of bolshevik party. > > > > Stalin > > > > > may > > > > > > > fail > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > establishing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > international communist front. Mao may > > > > fail in > > > > > > > upkeeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > fraternity between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India and China. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study from the faults and uphold the > > > > rights is > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > communists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Bobby > > > > Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Marx God? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did he percieve the caste equations in > > > > > Colonial > > > > > > > South > > > > > > > > > Asia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations on that (what I have read > > > > seems > > > > > > > ignorant). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Mao - is there a universal truth > > > > in > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > > hegemony? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am someone seeking questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear bobby, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are asking a > > > > simple > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My simple answer: I > > > > am not > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > expert in > > > > > > > > > > > > > this subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are > > > > interested, I will > > > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > names > > > > > > > > > > > > > of few books. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM, > > > > Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is communism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would like to be educated on that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/2008, JAYARAJAN. C.N. > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > asking so > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > which both you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and me can not answer. More over, you > > > > are not > > > > > > > expecting > > > > > > > > > a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > as those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions are reserved with your > > > > answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me > > > > repeat. CPI(M) > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communist party. Every rightist forces > > > > know this > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > So they > > > > > > > > > > > > > are utilising > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this to attack communist parties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara > > > > struggle may > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > conducted > > > > > > > > > > > > > with or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without the leadership of a communist > > > > party. On > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other hand, > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party shall uphold the slogan ' land for > > > > tiller' > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > their new > > > > > > > > > > > > > democratic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolutionary movements shall > > > > incorporate that > > > > > > > slogan as > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > main axis. This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be the strategy of a communist > > > > party as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > objective > > > > > > > > > > > > > condtions in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India like countries are accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a > > > > > communist > > > > > > > party > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > support all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > land struggles like 'Chengara' and > > > > should lead > > > > > it if > > > > > > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM, > > > > ahmed > > > > > > > rafeek j > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communist parties ?!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please advise why people at > > > > struggle > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Chengara need > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody need to symbolize > > > > cpim as > > > > > > > > > communist > > > > > > > > > > > > > party? what does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communist party really a > > > > communist > > > > > > > party? > > > > > > > > > what are > > > > > > > > > > > > > the signs of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'purity'? is there any single > > > > > communist > > > > > > > party > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesnt say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are the 'original'? why > > > > do we > > > > > need to > > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party to test whether it is > > > > real or > > > > > no? > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u r planning to do and in > > > > which > > > > > century? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/08, JAYARAJAN. C.N. > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a usual > > > > tactics of > > > > > > > rightist > > > > > > > > > forces > > > > > > > > > > > > > and rightist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > medias by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolising CPI(M) as a real > > > > > communist > > > > > > > > > party, > > > > > > > > > > > > > exposing that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generalising that communist > > > > parties > > > > > are > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is unfortunate > > > > that > > > > > even > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > progressive thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also repeating the same > > > > blah > > > > > blahs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appunni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at > > > > 12:03 AM, > > > > > ranju > > > > > > > > > radha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oho...now it s clear > > > > comrade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it s to save the world > > > > from US > > > > > > > imperialism > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > those bloody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CPM cadres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raped and killed Dalits in > > > > Nandigram > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and damn those women > > > > cadres of > > > > > CPM, > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > > "what was that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dalit woman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing in the field at 4am" > > > > (where > > > > > else > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > > shit? and what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were comrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing in the field? reading > > > > > communist > > > > > > > > > manifesto?!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a great revolutionary > > > > act > > > > > > > > > comrades!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/08, ahmed rafeek j > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel sorry for him... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but good that he broke > > > > his > > > > > silence > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least in > > > > > > > > > > > > > chintha. it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspensful for me when i > > > > see > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > responses to > > > > > > > > > > > > > him and some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requested for his > > > > response on > > > > > > > Chengara > > > > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > > > > > > > threatened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spaaaaaaaam mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but he just repeated > > > > what > > > > > pinarayi n > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > proving that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all of them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really 'red'. as > > > > k.k.koch > > > > > > > rightly > > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > > > > > > communism is as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dangerous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as fascism to the > > > > indigenous > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > around the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/08, Dileep Raj > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an article in > > > > Chinta > > > > > weekly > > > > > > > > > > > > > GPramachandran (2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 18) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justifies CPIM's abti > > > > > democratic > > > > > > > > > standpoints/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tibet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandigram, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara and > > > > Arayamkudi. He > > > > > > > alleges > > > > > > > > > that there > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'objective' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidences for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > America's > > > > interventions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Kerala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandigram and chengara > > > > are > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > manipulated > > > > > > > > > > > > > by certain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forces to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thwart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wider unity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formed aginst > > > > USimperialism, > > > > > > > > > > > > > globalisation,communalisation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascism.(p.23) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Nandigram and > > > > Kolkotta, > > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > forces are > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'depicting' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CPIM as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unleashing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attacks by siding with > > > > > Congress, > > > > > > > BJP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thrunamool, Maoists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Islamic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentalists > > > > (pp24--25) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He concludes the > > > > article by > > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > > > that " we > > > > > > > > > > > > > should take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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