forgot to mention categories like jinnumma and beevi. sunni muslim folks go to them for miracles, predictions and risk management.
some swaminis caputed on news channel recently are at their young age. all jinnummas i came across are at their old age. On 5/31/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comrades, > > the major leads put up on several cyberian groups on swami/ swaminis issue > points to the unbearbale lightness of rationalist arguments. > > One argument went even to a position were the obscurantist sadistic > pschiatry establishment was even invoked as a cure!!!!!! > > I only wish that the rationalsm & rationalist come of age with the more > enriching thoughts instead of their puerile advices. > > > > In this context, let me attach a recent article by depeesh chakraborthy for > *pleasure *reading. > > damodar prasad > > > On 5/28/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why this whole discourse ( critical as well as commonsensical) is >> on 'swami' and not swaminis? How would one locate the entry of women >> in high/middle/low sanyasihood? Is there any chance for ( upward/ sideward/ >> downward) mobility otherwise denied to women through "aaal daiva" status? >> Isn't it a momentary state/ identity to them?( who otherwise stick >> to domestic >> roles most of the time) >> >> I personally feel that experiences of such people should be captured and >> studied. >> >> >> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM, damodar prasad < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> swamis. trade >>> >>> >>> 1 The last two weeks, TV houses were airing fun-filled, excitement >>> generating swami stories interlaced with events of crime, cheating, and >>> debauchery and of course with occasional comment on decadence of *sarkar >>> samvidanam*, public morality and people's ineptitude to differentiate >>> the good from the bad sanyasis. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2.Media, political establishments, public correspondents (a better term >>> for public intellectuals, b'coz they only eagerly correspond to the public >>> demand!) came down heavily on the *kalla swamis*. TV biters from the >>> left and right of spectrum while condemning the swamis paused a little, and >>> then erred. A conscious err to stress the point that "all swamis and >>> sanyasis are not bad" It is the santhosh madavan and his ilk that are the >>> trouble-some and urged the state machinery to deal them heavy-handedly. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3.The distinction made between the middle class swamis (upwardly mobile) >>> like santhosh madhavan and elitist swamimars (reputed & established) of the >>> spiritual industry is necessitated by the secularist ideal. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4.Swamis have a predominant role in India since a long time. They were >>> indeed an essential attachment to the political establishment. The ruling >>> class kneeled down in front of the swamis for wise words and in >>> reciprocation saffronites bestowed moral legitimacy to the worldly acts of >>> the rulers. >>> >>> >>> 5.Such a coexistence of the worldly and the other worldly continued >>> perhaps with occasional disruptions till the emergence of swami Vivekanandan >>> in 19th century. The idea of institutionalized swamihood with clearly >>> laid objectives of Vedanta propagation, uplift of women, and mapping of a >>> national religion thus found a beginning in Vivekanadan's mission. It was >>> coeval with the beginnings of nationalist movement. >>> >>> (**An incisive and scholarly study of Swami Vivekanada's mssion was >>> done by late scholar and academic, Prof. Muralidharan. (Kala Vimrasam: >>> Marxist Manadandam). I cannot fully recollect the arguments in the study. >>> Prof. Muralidharan had outlined the historical and social conditions of >>> mercantile capitalism that made possible the emergence of Hindu nationalist >>> missionary activity) >>> >>> >>> >>> 6.Since then institutional forms of swamiship mushroomed. The scholarship >>> and spiritual zeal of vivekandan is perhaps missing but almost all the >>> institutional swamis tried mimicking Swami vivekandan. Even today, the >>> export quality, picture perfect orientalist are our swamis. >>> >>> >>> >>> 7.Swami trusts and institutions run on the principle of charity, >>> establishment of schools, hospitals, colleges and like VAT , an 8% Vedanta >>> is added to every activity. This means mixing reality show with spiritual >>> reawakening sessions. >>> >>> >>> >>> 8.State protection to swamiship is nothing new. Even the State tends to >>> prosecute sou-moto, critics for their writings questioning 'contemporary >>> spirituality'. The fourth-estate keeps mum on the issue but simultaneously >>> acclaim the Indians have a terrific argumentative tradition, which >>> accommodates anything. From the Beatles guru Maharishi Maesh Yogi (Indira >>> Gandhi connection) to Chandra Swami, we know the close connections btwn >>> political leadership and swamis. >>> >>> >>> >>> 9.Well, in direct contrast to above-mentioned swamis, some one can argue >>> that in 20 century we had seers like Ramana Mahrishi. >>> >>> >>> >>> 10. Yogis and seers like Ramana Maharishsi represent an elite class. The >>> aspirations of the rising middle-class never found expression in ramana >>> maharashi's vision. The seer to become a heavy-weight personality has to >>> touch on the lives of the dominant classes and engage with them on the >>> issues of everyday life. This would heighten the prestige of the swamis and >>> it is the first step towards institution building. Today, any one >>> transmigrating to swamihood first wishes to embody his vision in a network >>> of institution. >>> >>> >>> >>> 11. It is also true that there are lone spiritual practitioners in >>> different parts of Kerala who little bother to move from their localized >>> existence. >>> >>> >>> >>> 12. Performing miracles were once integral part of being accepted as >>> Sanayasi. But what is understood as miracle is coterminous with the >>> sensibility of a particular period. >>> >>> >>> >>> 13. It is here the new kind of Swamis dislocate all received wisdom of >>> the miraculous. The new miracles are located in the context of life and >>> economy working on the speculative mode. >>> >>> >>> >>> 14. The aspiring middle and the political class are driving towards some >>> swamis b'coz of the fact that the acts they perform are *Phanatastic*and >>> beyond the mediocrities of present day imagination. >>> >>> >>> >>> 15. The deterministic world view has lost forever. Everything is >>> momentary and transient. Even a moment cannot be held together. Observe the >>> major business in which our middle and political class engage for instant >>> elevation. 1. Real estate 2. Security market 3. Mutual funds 4. Forward >>> buying 5. Contract killing 6.Reality show 7. Embedded reporting etc. etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> 16. All these task are speculative in nature and involves risks. But once >>> the risk is averted the mobility - upward is guaranteed. Upwardness ensures >>> a certainty in life at least for a short-term and also an added advantage of >>> social recognition. The social recognition also involves identification with >>> political leadership and executive authorities (Police & Bureaucrats). (In >>> Kerala, more than anything else, recognition in terms of the above is the >>> most sought after. Being formally invited to the function hosted by a >>> political leader denotes the 'network capital' of the journalists.) >>> >>> >>> >>> 17. Speculative ventures need counseling at a higher end so that deal >>> goes thru with minimum risks. Enter the Swamiji and his acts of the >>> miraculous. With him enters the other worldliness to the secular deal. >>> The possibility of the other worldliness is that it functions on >>> determined belief system where everything has clear fixed meaning and hence >>> nothing could go wrong. In this realm of immaterialism, risk & uncertainty >>> burst like a bubble. >>> >>> >>> >>> 18. But then the Government is really worried. Here is an "arbitrator" >>> who works parallel to the government and also uses governmental machinery >>> for fulfillment of objectives that too in a very efficient manner. >>> >>> >>> >>> 19. It is difficult to function parallel to the government on an >>> individual scale. A network of organization is pre-requisite to take on the >>> government. Though Sarkar wouldn't say that , swamis are also a problem >>> like Maoists& Anarchists- But sarkar knows how to deal with its secular >>> enemies- Maoists/ extremists. But dealing with a non-secular agency is a >>> really really difficlut & challenging task. >>> >>> >>> >>> 20. The non-secular agencies have succeeded where the government has >>> failed. Whether it is rehabilitation, education or health. The beneficiary >>> of this is the middle –class. >>> >>> >>> >>> 21. But santhosh madhavan and himal badaranand fialed b'coz they were too >>> much into secular concerns. When the secular precedes otherworldliness you >>> are doomed. The state swooped in. From the part of Sarakar, it is a >>> threat identified and checked at the right time or else it may start >>> dictating terms with the political leadership & executive. >>> >>> >>> >>> 22. But the existing and new swamis have a few lessons to learn: Other >>> worldly concerns should predominate. Secular concerns should follow it. If >>> it works on the contrary, loss is assured. >>> >>> >>> >>> 23. But then santhosh madhavans and badranandas brings in the deeds of >>> secular life to mix up with the concerns of otherworldliness corrupting the >>> sacred. Isn't that good? >>> >>> >>> While writing about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Kurt Vonnegut makes an >>> observation: "This new religion (which is not religion but a technique) >>> offers tremendous pleasure, opposes no existing attitudes, demands no >>> sacrifices or outward demonstration of virtue and is risk free. It will >>> sweep the middle class of the world as the planet dies- as the planet is >>> surely dying- of poisoned air and water." >>> >>> damodar prasad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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