prasad and salim seems to be taking plurality for granted as being plural is virtous and democratic. ........plurality of voices in discussion may be good.... but a pluarality of abuses and methods of violations is what?.............. plurality of evil-doers...
On 7/20/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interestng to note the dialectics, the pligrimage industry, which inckudes > large tour operators to local taxi drivers articulate the same stuff. > > A 'pligrim' coming to Kerala in search of 'solace' as advised by the > "jyostya" ( who is pivotal in this industry) is led to sevral temples which > are linearaly inter-connected in the new narrative. At the same time > 'nativist' myth of each temples integrated to a national religious system > 'on the way' ( actually going by the road) is promoted. > > Everyone 'materially' happy... the tourist pligrim, tour operator, guide, > devasom... all are satisfied... > > > On 7/20/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Interestingly this co-option that Damodar talks about can be witnessed >> everywhere and of course the infighting between cults/sects/sub-castes have >> to be glossed over in a Parivar kind of agenda - a result is reactionary >> homogenisation of communities that percieve a threat from this agenda - I >> see the NDF as such a phenomenon. >> One of the points in the de Roover article (though he articulated it >> subcersively) in an earlier post was about the notion of a pan "Hindu" >> identity being an orientalist construct borrowed as a convenient tool by >> the Parivar version of nationalism. >> However the localist revivalism as far as I have seen happens only in the >> context of a larger agenda of homogenisation. The village that my father >> comes from has a Bhagwati who is supposed to be one of the sisters of >> Kodungallur Amma - now how the Kodungallur myth evolved and the variant >> stories themselves are being subjected to a linear narrative and worse a >> perverse form of purification. >> >> >> >> On 20/07/2008, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Since idol worship is central to several practices that constitute >>> 'hindu' religion and local gods and godesses and cults based on a supermo >>> and constructions of myths are so innumerable that imposing of 'pan-indian' >>> natonal identity on gods/godesses of local varaints were part of the >>> cultural nationalistic agenda promoted by the parivar. The local gods were >>> acquired, some through the process of what in corporate terms can be called >>> as 'hostile bidding' or acquisiton in the name of big ones in the periods >>> when parivar was expandign its base. In my local town and near by vilages >>> I've seen this. In TVM, also I recenty saw this. >>> >>> I *referred to plurality in this sense* . same also is the case with >>> many ramayanas available (which is slowly beng erased even by the publishing >>> industry) >>> >>> My second point was that there was also in-fight between gods based on >>> perhaps rivalarly between 'gothrums'. But this was erased from the collctive >>> memory only to pose a hostile distinction between religions. >>> >>> But now there is a return to localism as favoured by the religious >>> tourism and pligrimage industry. Reviving of local myths adaptable to induce >>> a localist flavour for consumption s also being tried. >>> >>> damodar prasad >>> >>> >>> On 7/20/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> plurality is interesting in a transmodern thought context. islam, >>>> ofcourse with one God, accomodate the plurality of multiple ways of being >>>> human. multiple Gods were not really found mandatory for plurality in >>>> beliefs, lif style and even in prayers. >>>> >>>> On 7/20/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Date: Jul 20, 2008 8:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple >>>>> To: Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Going by the hindu traditions (in plural) there are all chances that a >>>>> new day begins with an invention of new god or goddess. The cultures of >>>>> veneration impliict in the sevral several streams of beliefs and >>>>> faiths (urbanized and tribal) available in the sub continent enables the >>>>> possibility of *discover*y of gods and godesses every day. Temple, >>>>> diety and idol will follow from this and suubsequent to this desecration >>>>> as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> The various histories of temple desceration as part of rivalarly >>>>> between kings and even kith and kind and also intra-*gothrum* warfare >>>>> is erased from the collective memory to bring attention for political >>>>> advantages. >>>>> >>>>> Its upsetting that RSS version of history that implicates only Muslim >>>>> rulers as desecrators is effectively availble in popular hsitory. >>>>> >>>>> For RSS and for establishing its one nation theory, a regimented >>>>> religion based on vedas and smrithis is necessary. >>>>> >>>>> But the fiath and beliefs is consistenty challengign this codification. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But Rajes temple is not in anyway conencted with this. It may be a sort >>>>> of ad. work where she is facing anti-incumbency and also resistance within >>>>> the BJP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/19/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I cant find some thing unusual in this.. May be something similar to >>>>>> what Jayalalitha used to play in Tamil Naadu.. >>>>>> >>>>>> But can RSS brand of hindu cultural nationalism definitely will have a >>>>>> problem in acknowledging this though they might compromise for the broad >>>>>> hindu interests ... But there is no contradiction in their stance.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Afthab Ellath >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:45 PM, damodar prasad < >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For devout Hindus, what more exciting news to know about a temple >>>>>>> being built for *Seeta Mayya* as Ramayana reading month is >>>>>>> celebarated by TBS to DC to Mathrubhumi... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RSS problem perhaps is only with the colonial-raj combination of >>>>>>> chaste english Rajasthan CM speaks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/19/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting development in Rajasthan. Thought this news has to be >>>>>>>> shared. Wonder what the BJP is upto, since it looks like about to >>>>>>>> face a >>>>>>>> defeat in Rajasthan >>>>>>>> However as a note, Malaram Bishnoi is a formidable Bishnoi leader >>>>>>>> and his position is the most interesting >>>>>>>> (Bishnoi's are an intersting syncretic community based mostly in >>>>>>>> Rajasthan) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: ajay bishnoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Date: 19 Jul 2008 16:24 >>>>>>>> Subject: vasundhra raje's temple >>>>>>>> To: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello bobby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> read this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RSS opposes Raje temple >>>>>>>> ASIANAGE 14 July, 2008 07:54:30 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *By Narayan Bareth* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jaipur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> July 14: Even though the villagers are protesting against the >>>>>>>> building of a temple depicting Rajasthan chief minister Vasundhara >>>>>>>> Raje as >>>>>>>> goddess "May Kalyani" at Beru village in Jodhpur district, priest >>>>>>>> Hemant >>>>>>>> Bohra has refused to budge. But the RSS is unhappy with efforts to >>>>>>>> build the >>>>>>>> temple in the name of a human being. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mr Bohra said he had hired a sculptor to shape the four-foot-high >>>>>>>> idol of Ms Raje as a goddess riding a lion. As Mr Bohra claimed, the >>>>>>>> temple >>>>>>>> would be built on his own land. But the villagers say the land is >>>>>>>> owned by >>>>>>>> their Vishnoi community and has been used as a burial site for >>>>>>>> centuries. >>>>>>>> The Vishnois bury their dead and there are "samadhis" of their >>>>>>>> ancestors at >>>>>>>> the site. "We will not allow any temple here. Why has Mr Bohra decided >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> build a temple here," asks Malaram Vishnoi, a community leader. The >>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>> has asked both parties to maintain status quo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ruling BJP has maintained a stoic silence but RSS spokesperson >>>>>>>> in Rajasthan Kanhaiya Lal Chaturvedi said, "No one would like to see a >>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>> being projected as a god or goddess." "It is a time of sycophancy in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> polity of India. You can see Congressmen naming everything after the >>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>> Rajiv Gandhi, Lalu's life story was included in textbooks, and this is >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> expansion of the same trend," he added >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://howrah. org/india_ news/18812. >>>>>>>> html<http://howrah.org/india_news/18812.html> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Bobby Kunhu >>>>>>>> http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Bobby Kunhu >>>>>> http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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