Merit.. genius are all social/political constrcutions..Even "I & am" is a construct. but this theory has become so commonplace that when people score poor marks in the xamination who are other wise theoritically apt about all other things excpet their subject say that they failed becasue question paper is a social construction and one disagreed to all. The radical motivations of this theory is tremendous.
The poor social constructivist theory also provides very key insights to behavioural perfomances in social circles. Hope you have read it. On 8/29/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also beg to differ. May I also be allowed? > > (genius like merit is construction) > > > On 8/29/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Very intelligent observation. But I beg to disagree. May I be allowed. >> >> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:14 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> read Sir Chathu, kozhi of VKN also >>> and viewpoints of Narayana Pillai on the issue of reservation and dalit >>> politics (remember reading his column in Kalakaumudi (or samalalika >>> malayalam?) years ago).... >>> what i can say with due respect to all these celebrities is that >>> "inimitable genius" is not an exception as far as caste/gender/class >>> s concerned. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/29/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> In the caste-class configuration and ongoing debates, how to locate and >>>> read the inimitable genius Malayalam has produced VKN ( MP narayana >>>> pilai >>>> as well) will be interesting. >>>> >>>> read his very short Story, Vargam and Varnam? >>>> >>>> . >>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:17 PM, neelan neelakandan < >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >>>>> Google groups >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK, let me >>>>> Neelan >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >>>>> groups >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 12:45 PM >>>>> >>>>> dear mr.neelan, >>>>> >>>>> since you have been deploying dichotomies such as experience/theory I'd >>>>> urge you to look at autobiographies of some of our major 'de-casters' and >>>>> see how deeply caste is entrenched in those textual "practices". >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >>>>> groups >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 9:47 AM >>>>> >>>>> Theoretical assumtions , arguements, negations, evaluations or >>>>> revaluations are are fine Ranju. But practice and experience are all >>>>> together ,a different thing. >>>>> Neelan >>>>> --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >>>>> groups >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 7:43 AM >>>>> >>>>> the caste hindu de-casting happened by assuming a meta-social sphere >>>>> devoid of caste at the same time endorsing the system of caste as >>>>> historical >>>>> necessity. The caste power relations remained the same while the >>>>> reformatory >>>>> actions prevailed at the surface level. "class" was just an excuse for >>>>> them >>>>> and successfully constructed a world of caste-less "false consciousness" >>>>> among the marginalised. in reality, while they ushered in caste pwer >>>>> relations, the rhetoric of class helpd them evade the question of caste. >>>>> Such was our de-casting. EMS is the perfect example. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/28/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Neelan, >>>>>> >>>>>> Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! >>>>>> (Guerilla samarathandram...?) >>>>>> >>>>>> Randayalum onnayalum, >>>>>> chilappol kalu pinnottu vekkunnathu nallathanennu enikkum thonnunnu. >>>>>> >>>>>> charcha "purogamikkanam" >>>>>> ennathu oru linear pratheeksha aanallo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Charcha sidilekku gamichalum mathi.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope you are not hurt by my words. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, neelan neelakandan >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> > Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? >>>>>> > neelan >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >>>>>> groups >>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> > Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Dear Neelan, >>>>>> > Hope we will meet soon in another thread >>>>>> > (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) >>>>>> > Cheers! >>>>>> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, neelan neelakandan >>>>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >> Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were >>>>>> > efforts >>>>>> >> to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, >>>>>> in our >>>>>> >> own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those >>>>>> efforts, >>>>>> > call >>>>>> >> them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin >>>>>> against >>>>>> >> one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a >>>>>> > previlage. . >>>>>> >> Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes >>>>>> trying ) >>>>>> > to >>>>>> >> engage.And here i retreat. >>>>>> >> Neelan >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >>>>>> Google >>>>>> > groups >>>>>> >> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. >>>>>> Thats >>>>>> > why >>>>>> >> conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and >>>>>> so-called >>>>>> >> "development models", like Kerala model, well-categorized by the >>>>>> >> develomentalist discourse as "outliers". >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the >>>>>> people >>>>>> >> outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays of living >>>>>> out in >>>>>> > a >>>>>> >> regimented caste order. Let me just mention one: Government >>>>>> Brahmana by >>>>>> >> Aravind Malagatti. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Is de-casting possible? does not it negate the politics of >>>>>> caste-based >>>>>> >> assertions? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, neelan neelakandan >>>>>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Dear Prasad, >>>>>> >>> You know what a " decasting " life some of us lived. But >>>>>> > such factors , >>>>>> >>> which are beyond one's control shouldnt be a >>>>>> > qualification/disqualification >>>>>> >>> in discourses. Its something like disarming one! >>>>>> >>> I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. >>>>>> >>> Neelan >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>> groups >>>>>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice >>>>>> of >>>>>> > anyone >>>>>> >>> unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity >>>>>> is >>>>>> > also >>>>>> >>> there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to >>>>>> conveniently to >>>>>> > erase >>>>>> >>> traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the core!! >>>>>> > The class >>>>>> >>> is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom >>>>>> that >>>>>> > one >>>>>> >>> has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the >>>>>> > cataclysm >>>>>> >>> is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: >>>>>> Things >>>>>> > fall >>>>>> >>> apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is >>>>>> > drowned". As you >>>>>> >>> may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the >>>>>> > dominating >>>>>> >>> castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the >>>>>> >>> propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, >>>>>> > don't hold to >>>>>> >>> what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>> bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a >>>>>> > movement >>>>>> >>> towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept >>>>>> secure >>>>>> > for ones >>>>>> >>> own genetic generations. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>> Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of >>>>>> fools.. It >>>>>> >>> speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> damodar prasad >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan >>>>>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. >>>>>> >>>> Neelan >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >>>>>> > Google >>>>>> >>>> groups >>>>>> >>>> To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>> Cc: "sanil v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved >>>>>> >>>> in social scientific studies of media. >>>>>> >>>> Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is >>>>>> active >>>>>> > in >>>>>> >>>> Fourth estate Critique? >>>>>> >>>> My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that >>>>>> >>>> there won't be any. >>>>>> >>>> And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is >>>>>> > 'natural' about >>>>>> >>>> all >>>>>> >>>> left friend circles!! >>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj >>>>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> > Some friends told me that Sanil >>>>>> >>>> > forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate Critique >>>>>> > and >>>>>> >>>> > couple of people there are irritated by it. They are >>>>>> > particularly >>>>>> >>>> irritated >>>>>> >>>> > by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > I took Sanil's writing as a public document and responded >>>>>> > to >>>>>> >>>> > the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with him) >>>>>> >>>> > out of the immediacy of the political context. >>>>>> >>>> > I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to >>>>>> >>>> > forward it to the forum where I am not present. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad >>>>>> >>>> > troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so called >>>>>> >>>> "left" >>>>>> >>>> > private spheres.. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist >>>>>> >>>> > consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to it. >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > Let us celebrate it >>>>>> >>>> > Cheers!! >>>>>> >>>> > -- >>>>>> >>>> > Dileep R I thuravoor >>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> Dileep R I thuravoor >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>> Download prohibited? 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