---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:54 AM Subject: Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All visited the link Yash has provided? Next, most probably, will be green youth. (Shahina's Hoot article was discussed as well in Gny). Since FEC is somehow insulated it can wait for some time for. It will be the time for moderation. Green Youth members who are in FEC: do anyone remember this link to Offstumped? and also do anyone remember who provided the link in the aftermath of Jaipur blasts. At least Bobby and Aftab will be remembering. Anivar will get more calls now for unsubscribing :-) On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:06 AM, yash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/20/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-potential-nexus/ > > > > On Sep 22, I came across this hate-site from a google search on > another topic. I can't believe there are such people in India, and now > dont wonder at all those communal feelings surging across the nation > if this is the mindset of a at least a handful of the population > > I informed Sevanti Ninan about this site, and since I didnt have the > id of Shahina I put the link out to a fellow journo which I believe he > passed on to Shahina... This is no good news, but I wonder whether it > isnt time we handled such hate-mongering in an effective way... > > > I cant say more, I am too shocked at this and wait for your comments > on the contents, where its not just Shahina and Sevanti who are > maligned but another NGO based in Kerala too... > > Check out this link > > > http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/20/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-potential-nexus/ > > > On Oct 5, 5:43 am, John Samuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Bobby, > > > > Thanks. This is not the first time such things happened. This will not be > the last time such things will happen. There are so many who will remember > the dark days of 1969-70, Emergency, 1984, 1992, 2002....Because the > bureaucracy, and the state machinery are all about "Control and Power". They > are also a reflection of all the contradictions, biases and power dynamics > within the society. Because of the coercive power apparatus of the State, as > you very well know, there is always a hundred percent possibility for the > very same apparatus that are supposed to protect the dignity and security of > the people will end up violating the human rights- particularly of those > of challenge them. The fight against those violation is not a one time > event- based on one or other experience. We all have been doing it and we > all need to continue to do it. You very well know how some of us( and the > organizations- including AA) stood up challenging the human rights > > violations in Gujarath and in many parts in India- where state directly > or inderectly helped the fasicist forces. I personally know what Elina has > been going through when our friend Binayak was "picked up" one day- simply > because some of those who control the govt and machinery in Chattisgar could > not tolerate his courage of conviction. > > > > While I completely agree with you the need to stand up and speak out for > justice, human rights, and dignity at every time, I personally think that > there is a personal and political side to it. In the case of Shahina and > Rajeev, it is personal as well as political for someone like me- because > they are friends of many of us and Shaihina has been one of the brave women > journalists in Kerala and India So it is natural that many in FEC will > extend personal solidarity. But FEC is space of exchange and share...it is > not an advocacy group. We all can do that at an individual level, in many > ways. > > > > The politics of dissent and politics of dignity are indeed integral to > the politics of democratization and democracy. That we may have to continue > in one million ways in the thousand years to come. Because the State,and any > monopoly of power- wherever it is - will survive primarily on its coercive > power, though there could be various means and methods to acquire consent as > well. > > > > I completely agree with MGR on this. I think it is important to call a > press conference( and organize media advocacy) to share this story. I think > MPs,even few Ministers from kerala and intellectuals( like > Satichida...Jayati.. Shanta Sinha ..and othes can the press conference). > > > > It is important to tell the story- because it is a powerful story that > need to be told. Because it is a story of a family who dedicated their life > for the very idea and ideals of India- and the values of the constitution.. > I will be happy to express solidarity and support( in writing as well as > through democratic action), though I may not be able to travel to Delhi for > the next few weeks. > > > > In fact, the government of India did not dare to touch Harsh and many > of my colleagues( Zakia, Javed and others) -even in the height of the BJP > govt- simply because of the media - because they knew it will become a > global media affair and there will be consequences. So sometimes - unlike > small towns like Raipur or Aurangabad- cities like Delhi gives much more > opportunity to challenge this- through media, through writings and organized > protest by those who will stand up for the constitution of India. > > > > I still remain optimistic about our dear country- because there are > still hundreds of millions- ordinary people- Hindus, Dalits, Muslims, > Christians, Sikah- who believe in the idea of India...as articulated in the > Constitution- "We the people.....". Hence, we all have to do every single > step- big or small- in words and deeds to protect the spirit of our > Constitution. > > > > In Solidarity > > > > JS > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Greenyouth < > [email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:46:33 PM > > Subject: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE > > > > Dear John, Damodar, Anil, Afthab, Anivar JP NPC, Satchi Mash etc > > Can we go beyond this expression of solidarity. This can happen to any of > us, given our work. Its tremendous that people have expressed solidarity, > but that is also reactionary. I have found this group useful in the limited > time that I have spent here. Can we think programmatically beyond just > expressing solidarity to Shahina and Rajeev. make sure that we or "others" > are not hounded for our opinions, belief or faith, in perhaps, how John sees > it as a celebratory exercise. > > Love > > > > 2008/10/4 John Samuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Dear Shahina and Rajeev, > > > > With you, in solidarity , in these moments of trauma and pain. Our system > can be so insensitive and intruding. It is in such times,identity is forced > up on many of us - irrespective of one's own perspective, track record or > conviction. > > > > > > > > Love > > > > John > > > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM, anandi krishnan < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dear Shahina, > > > > share all your feelings. > > with lot of empathy, > > anandi. > > > > --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Chekkutty N.P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: Chekkutty N.P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Subject: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 12:08 PM > > > > > This is a traumatic experience, especially in a city like > > > Delhi where you > > > have very few friends. . > > > > > Hope you will hold on, dear Shahina... > > > > > NPC > > > > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jayaprakash ND > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shahina, > > > > > > Extremely sorry to hear about the trauma that you and > > > Rajeev had to > > > > undergo. I hope that the problem has been sorted out > > > and that you are not > > > > facing any more harassment. Please keep me informed > > > about the developments. > > > > > > With greetings to you and Rajeev, > > > > JP > > > > > > ================== > > > > > > 2008/10/4 ShahinaNafeesa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> Dear friends, > > > >> I know this is a belated post. Infact I was taking > > > time to shrugg off the > > > >> bewilderment,anguish and scare through which I had > > > been passing for the last > > > >> three weeks.The article I wrote in the hoot.org > > > (Bombs defused in > > > >> Newsrooms)caused me trouble and trouble only.I > > > hope some of you might have > > > >> been aware of that. > > > >> In the following article-SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE- > > > I am trying to summarise > > > >> the whole episode. > > > >> Hindustan Thimes on today has carried a trimmed > > > version of this article > > > >> under the title 'Your Religion follows > > > You'. > > > > >http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=Ho. > .. > > > > > >> Shahina > > > > > >> *SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE* > > > >> My tryst with the e-messengers of terror > > > > > >> Shahina K K > > > > > >> Since14th September 2008, writing has become a > > > laborious exercise for me. > > > >> It was all of a sudden that words turned heavy, > > > staring at my own > > > >> convictions, political thinking and journalistic > > > vigor. It was on a gloomy > > > >> Sunday (the day after the bloody Saturday on which > > > the life of twenty odd > > > >> people had been taken away by some body called > > > Indian Mujahideen)that things > > > >> turned upside down. It's difficult to describe > > > my terrible sense of shock > > > >> when it came to my notice that a part of the email > > > sent by perpetrators of > > > >> the Delhi blasts laying claim to the deadly bombs > > > on the day, had been > > > >> written by me! It was lifted verbatim from a piece > > > of mine (Bombs defused in > > > >> News rooms) which appeared in the media watch dog > > > portal, The Hoot. > > > >> Newspapers had given extensive quotes wondering at > > > the 'journalistic > > > >> character' and 'impeccable English' of > > > those who prepared the mail. Even > > > >> when everybody calls it plagiarism I was not > > > spared because my name carries > > > >> the identity of a community which is put in the > > > dock for all that happens > > > >> dreadfully around us. I wrote about what the media > > > does, how it deals with > > > >> the unending episodes of terror strikes > > > juxtaposing with the violence by > > > >> Hindu extremists and how flagrantly they fail in > > > the 'balancing' act! > > > > > >> A published material is neither mine nor yours. > > > Plagiarism in cyber space > > > >> is not a rare phenomenon. There are limited > > > options to check it. I am not > > > >> very serious about plagiarism be cause I am > > > skeptical about how far we are > > > >> the masters of our own words. I personally believe > > > that what I wrote is not > > > >> only mine. It was reproduced by other websites and > > > several bloggers .It is > > > >> exciting to watch the cyber movement challenging > > > the dogmatization of > > > >> knowledge. I don't subscribe to the concept of > > > copyright too. But I never > > > >> thought of being caught up in a deep sense of > > > anguish, terror and shock by > > > >> some one else picking up my words for the > > > manifestation of a heinous crime. > > > >> It came to my notice that Sunday evening, while I > > > was perusing Times of > > > >> India looking for stories missed in the morning. > > > One story on the terror > > > >> e-mail had extensively quoted the lifted portion > > > from my article analyzing > > > >> how the extremist forces make a common cause with > > > other victims of 'Sangh > > > >> terror' -- Christians and Dalits. 'The > > > idea of a broad coalition of all > > > >> minorities and Dalits in a broad anti-Hindutva > > > coalition is not new, but its > > > >> use amid clear signs of unease within Muslims > > > about the radicalisation of > > > >> sections within it > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
