just adding .. in fact the left (the mainstream left ) in kerala often proves us wrong. they are well ahead with the Right in organising and consolidating and of course acting in the very way what we witnessed in Art Faculty in DElhi university and last year in baroda. The organised Left should not be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that excert the polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm. what ashley arguing may be to constitute such a polemical realm where the power of the polemics of Left or Right can be countered with the same polemical vigor. But a conglomeration of like-minded academically oriented people need not constitute it; presence of a politically ambitious group might trigger sucha a counter force, i think. Fortunately or unfortunately, that is not the case always. This in no way undermine the relvance of consolidation of secular democratic people. but unless triggered by a group or Party (taking cues from Lenin), this may not tranform into a political force. the process for tha same shall be initiated or ignited by these very consolidations, though.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:49 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > .>"That the Right organises and consolidates well > and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > > >..We need to learn from that and organise and consistently fight against > these > fascist goons."... > > Sounds both modest and reasonable, > provided we acknowledge (and devote more time for) the need to learn > about not only the forms > but also the content, > which makes the essentials of Right Wing mobilization/ fascism in > India. > Let's begin to look caste and gender not as separate things, but as > the Brahmanical > amalgam Caste-Gender. > Perhaps this is unique in many ways in its ruthless ways of > challenging reason everywhere, invoking cults. > This variety of nationalism being itself automatically embedded with > hate and bigotry, you cannot win too many people in your efforts of > defending reason. > This is probably why the RW organizations and consolidations are > qualitatively at great variance with those in the Left camps. > The former offers simple answers to complex questions ,while the > latter often complicates even seemingly simple things just not to > offend the status-quo, > and not to loose votes...This is one of the great paradoxes of > (Secular) India that this may be the only country in the contemporary > world where killing of humans for no reasons would even > "democratically" bring the perpetrators to power with a greater chunk > of popular votes on their side! > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Mahtab, > > > > Dont try ur best in my lines, bz these lines are not drawn by me. Contact > > Ashley Tellis for more details. > > However, thanks for the mail > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mahtab Alam <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > > > Dear Ranjit, > > > Thanks a lot for your suggestions. We will try our > > > best in future on the same lines. > > > > > Regards, > > > Mahtab > > > > > 2008/11/10 Ranjit Ranjit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> Hi hany, > > > > >> This is what Ashley wrote in response to your comment. I am posting > this > > >> bz he is not a member of greenyouth and i have made the initial > posting of > > >> his article. I have also invited him to greenyouth > > > > >> ranjit > > > > >> Dear Ranjit, > > > > >> Please post this on my behalf on greenyouth as I am not a member. > > > > >> Thanks > > >> ashley > > > > >> In reponse to Dr. Hany Babu's retort to my article: > > > > >> Seeking police protection in advance is wise because then they cannot > > >> stand by as mute witnesses but have to take action. I also meant > asking > > >> students to act as security and not just depend on the police as we > have > > >> done in the past at such events. > > > > >> The second reason offered by Dr. Babu does not make any sense in > relation > > >> to dependence or the lack of it on the police. Demonstrations are fine > but > > >> not unless they are consolidated with consistent action. We had a > great > > >> demonstration early this year over the History Department vndalism by > the > > >> same people and at the close of the year we have this. What does that > prove? > > >> That coming out in hundreds on one day means nothing in the long run. > > > > >> I was well aware of the reactions of the audience (much of it was in > the > > >> press release) and I commend them, But these are simply not enough. > Geelani > > >> was spat upon and humiiated, microphones broken, tables and chairs > > >> vandalised, windows broken. All of this can and must be avoided in the > > >> future by creating a strong secular student-teacher body like the > erstwhile > > >> Delhi University Forum for Democracy. That it died is indication of > the > > >> whole point of my article. That the Right organises and consolidates > well > > >> and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > > > > >> We need to learn from that and organise and consistently fight against > > >> these fascist goons. > > > > >> -- > > >> Ranjit > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
