Plz correct the line in my earlier post as " as polemical energy that exists outside the organized/official left"..
On Nov 11, 2:10 pm, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ranju, > Kindly make your point a bit clearer. > I can't find( why) the power of the organized left in manipulating > discourses should not be undermined,,,Instead, I find it as most > urgent in view of defending the polemical energy you mentioned. > Regards, > Venu > > On Nov 11, 1:31 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > it can be read as; "The power of the organised left should not be undermined > > which it uses to exert polemical energy in manipulatng dicourses at the > > public realm. > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >"The organised Left should not > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that excert the > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm" > > > > As I find here, this statement by Ranju is most probably meant to be > > > read as "..organized left ..should be" and not as "..should not be". > > > And, l hence like to fully endorse his views. > > > Regards, > > > Venu. > > > > On Nov 10, 7:45 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > just adding .. > > > > > in fact the left (the mainstream left ) in kerala often proves us wrong. > > > > they are well ahead with the Right in organising and consolidating and > > > > of > > > > course acting in the very way what we witnessed in Art Faculty in DElhi > > > > university and last year in baroda. The organised Left should not > > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that excert the > > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm. > > > > what ashley arguing may be to constitute such a polemical realm where > > > > the > > > > power of the polemics of Left or Right can be countered with the same > > > > polemical vigor. But a conglomeration of like-minded academically > > > oriented > > > > people need not constitute it; presence of a politically ambitious group > > > > might trigger sucha a counter force, i think. Fortunately or > > > unfortunately, > > > > that is not the case always. This in no way undermine the relvance of > > > > consolidation of secular democratic people. but unless triggered by a > > > group > > > > or Party (taking cues from Lenin), this may not tranform into a > > > > political > > > > force. the process for tha same shall be initiated or ignited by these > > > very > > > > consolidations, though. > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:49 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > .>"That the Right organises and consolidates well > > > > > and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > > > > > > >..We need to learn from that and organise and consistently fight > > > against > > > > > these > > > > > fascist goons."... > > > > > > Sounds both modest and reasonable, > > > > > provided we acknowledge (and devote more time for) the need to learn > > > > > about not only the forms > > > > > but also the content, > > > > > which makes the essentials of Right Wing mobilization/ fascism in > > > > > India. > > > > > Let's begin to look caste and gender not as separate things, but as > > > > > the Brahmanical > > > > > amalgam Caste-Gender. > > > > > Perhaps this is unique in many ways in its ruthless ways of > > > > > challenging reason everywhere, invoking cults. > > > > > This variety of nationalism being itself automatically embedded with > > > > > hate and bigotry, you cannot win too many people in your efforts of > > > > > defending reason. > > > > > This is probably why the RW organizations and consolidations are > > > > > qualitatively at great variance with those in the Left camps. > > > > > The former offers simple answers to complex questions ,while the > > > > > latter often complicates even seemingly simple things just not to > > > > > offend the status-quo, > > > > > and not to loose votes...This is one of the great paradoxes of > > > > > (Secular) India that this may be the only country in the contemporary > > > > > world where killing of humans for no reasons would even > > > > > "democratically" bring the perpetrators to power with a greater chunk > > > > > of popular votes on their side! > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mahtab, > > > > > > > Dont try ur best in my lines, bz these lines are not drawn by me. > > > Contact > > > > > > Ashley Tellis for more details. > > > > > > However, thanks for the mail > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mahtab Alam < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjit, > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your suggestions. We will try our > > > > > > > best in future on the same lines. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Mahtab > > > > > > > > 2008/11/10 Ranjit Ranjit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >> Hi hany, > > > > > > > >> This is what Ashley wrote in response to your comment. I am > > > posting > > > > > this > > > > > > >> bz he is not a member of greenyouth and i have made the initial > > > > > posting of > > > > > > >> his article. I have also invited him to greenyouth > > > > > > > >> ranjit > > > > > > > >> Dear Ranjit, > > > > > > > >> Please post this on my behalf on greenyouth as I am not a member. > > > > > > > >> Thanks > > > > > > >> ashley > > > > > > > >> In reponse to Dr. Hany Babu's retort to my article: > > > > > > > >> Seeking police protection in advance is wise because then they > > > cannot > > > > > > >> stand by as mute witnesses but have to take action. I also meant > > > > > asking > > > > > > >> students to act as security and not just depend on the police as > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > >> done in the past at such events. > > > > > > > >> The second reason offered by Dr. Babu does not make any sense in > > > > > relation > > > > > > >> to dependence or the lack of it on the police. Demonstrations are > > > fine > > > > > but > > > > > > >> not unless they are consolidated with consistent action. We had a > > > > > great > > > > > > >> demonstration early this year over the History Department > > > > > > >> vndalism > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > >> same people and at the close of the year we have this. What does > > > that > > > > > prove? > > > > > > >> That coming out in hundreds on one day means nothing in the long > > > run. > > > > > > > >> I was well aware of the reactions of the audience (much of it was > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > >> press release) and I commend them, But these are simply not > > > enough. > > > > > Geelani > > > > > > >> was spat upon and humiiated, microphones broken, tables and > > > > > > >> chairs > > > > > > >> vandalised, windows broken. All of this can and must be avoided > > > > > > >> in > > > the > > > > > > >> future by creating a strong secular student-teacher body like the > > > > > erstwhile > > > > > > >> Delhi University Forum for Democracy. That it died is indication > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > >> whole point of my article. That the Right organises and > > > consolidates > > > > > well > > > > > > >> and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > > > > > > > >> We need to learn from that and organise and consistently fight > > > against > > > > > > >> these fascist goons. > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> Ranjit --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
