Intellectuals talking. Stay away, we, the commons can't engage in the polemical polymorphism of Ranju's positions that are coherent to congnitive but dual to the core, it succeeeds to evoke insignificant potentialities of power and agency within the organised left's subconcious. There by it is a joke.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:05 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks > :) > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Ah, that's what I suggested as a possible oversight in your typing. >> Thanks for the response here. >> Regards, >> Venu. >> >> On 11 Nov, 15:14, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > oh yes.. u may be right. undermine or not but one can't underestimate >> > it. >> > that could be a better expression perhaps. >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:45 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > Plz correct the line in my earlier post as >> > > " as polemical energy that exists outside the organized/official >> > > left".. >> > >> > > On Nov 11, 2:10 pm, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > Ranju, >> > > > Kindly make your point a bit clearer. >> > > > I can't find( why) the power of the organized left in manipulating >> > > > discourses should not be undermined,,,Instead, I find it as most >> > > > urgent in view of defending the polemical energy you mentioned. >> > > > Regards, >> > > > Venu >> > >> > > > On Nov 11, 1:31 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > it can be read as; "The power of the organised left should not be >> > > undermined >> > > > > which it uses to exert polemical energy in manipulatng dicourses >> > > > > at the >> > > > > public realm. >> > >> > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > >"The organised Left should not >> > > > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that excert >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm" >> > >> > > > > > As I find here, this statement by Ranju is most probably meant >> > > > > > to be >> > > > > > read as "..organized left ..should be" and not as "..should not >> > > > > > be". >> > > > > > And, l hence like to fully endorse his views. >> > > > > > Regards, >> > > > > > Venu. >> > >> > > > > > On Nov 10, 7:45 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > just adding .. >> > >> > > > > > > in fact the left (the mainstream left ) in kerala often proves >> > > > > > > us >> > > wrong. >> > > > > > > they are well ahead with the Right in organising and >> > > > > > > consolidating >> > > and of >> > > > > > > course acting in the very way what we witnessed in Art Faculty >> > > > > > > in >> > > DElhi >> > > > > > > university and last year in baroda. The organised Left should >> > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that >> > > > > > > excert >> > > the >> > > > > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm. >> > > > > > > what ashley arguing may be to constitute such a polemical >> > > > > > > realm >> > > where the >> > > > > > > power of the polemics of Left or Right can be countered with >> > > > > > > the >> > > same >> > > > > > > polemical vigor. But a conglomeration of like-minded >> > > > > > > academically >> > > > > > oriented >> > > > > > > people need not constitute it; presence of a politically >> > > > > > > ambitious >> > > group >> > > > > > > might trigger sucha a counter force, i think. Fortunately or >> > > > > > unfortunately, >> > > > > > > that is not the case always. This in no way undermine the >> > > > > > > relvance >> > > of >> > > > > > > consolidation of secular democratic people. but unless >> > > > > > > triggered by >> > > a >> > > > > > group >> > > > > > > or Party (taking cues from Lenin), this may not tranform into >> > > > > > > a >> > > political >> > > > > > > force. the process for tha same shall be initiated or ignited >> > > > > > > by >> > > these >> > > > > > very >> > > > > > > consolidations, though. >> > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:49 PM, venukm >> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > .>"That the Right organises and consolidates well >> > > > > > > > and we on the secular front and the Left don't. >> > >> > > > > > > > >..We need to learn from that and organise and consistently >> > > > > > > > > fight >> > > > > > against >> > > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > fascist goons."... >> > >> > > > > > > > Sounds both modest and reasonable, >> > > > > > > > provided we acknowledge (and devote more time for) the need >> > > > > > > > to >> > > learn >> > > > > > > > about not only the forms >> > > > > > > > but also the content, >> > > > > > > > which makes the essentials of Right Wing mobilization/ >> > > > > > > > fascism in >> > > > > > > > India. >> > > > > > > > Let's begin to look caste and gender not as separate >> > > > > > > > things, but >> > > as >> > > > > > > > the Brahmanical >> > > > > > > > amalgam Caste-Gender. >> > > > > > > > Perhaps this is unique in many ways in its ruthless ways of >> > > > > > > > challenging reason everywhere, invoking cults. >> > > > > > > > This variety of nationalism being itself automatically >> > > > > > > > embedded >> > > with >> > > > > > > > hate and bigotry, you cannot win too many people in your >> > > > > > > > efforts >> > > of >> > > > > > > > defending reason. >> > > > > > > > This is probably why the RW organizations and consolidations >> > > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > qualitatively at great variance with those in the Left >> > > > > > > > camps. >> > > > > > > > The former offers simple answers to complex questions >> > > > > > > > ,while the >> > > > > > > > latter often complicates even seemingly simple things just >> > > > > > > > not to >> > > > > > > > offend the status-quo, >> > > > > > > > and not to loose votes...This is one of the great paradoxes >> > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > (Secular) India that this may be the only country in the >> > > contemporary >> > > > > > > > world where killing of humans for no reasons would even >> > > > > > > > "democratically" bring the perpetrators to power with a >> > > > > > > > greater >> > > chunk >> > > > > > > > of popular votes on their side! >> > >> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mahtab, >> > >> > > > > > > > > Dont try ur best in my lines, bz these lines are not drawn >> > > > > > > > > by >> > > me. >> > > > > > Contact >> > > > > > > > > Ashley Tellis for more details. >> > > > > > > > > However, thanks for the mail >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mahtab Alam < >> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > > > > >wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjit, >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your suggestions. We will try our >> > > > > > > > > > best in future on the same lines. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, >> > > > > > > > > > Mahtab >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 2008/11/10 Ranjit Ranjit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi hany, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> This is what Ashley wrote in response to your comment. >> > > > > > > > > >> I am >> > > > > > posting >> > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > >> bz he is not a member of greenyouth and i have made the >> > > initial >> > > > > > > > posting of >> > > > > > > > > >> his article. I have also invited him to greenyouth >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> ranjit >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Ranjit, >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Please post this on my behalf on greenyouth as I am not >> > > > > > > > > >> a >> > > member. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks >> > > > > > > > > >> ashley >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> In reponse to Dr. Hany Babu's retort to my article: >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Seeking police protection in advance is wise because >> > > > > > > > > >> then >> > > they >> > > > > > cannot >> > > > > > > > > >> stand by as mute witnesses but have to take action. I >> > > > > > > > > >> also >> > > meant >> > > > > > > > asking >> > > > > > > > > >> students to act as security and not just depend on the >> > > police as >> > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > >> done in the past at such events. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> The second reason offered by Dr. Babu does not make any >> > > sense in >> > > > > > > > relation >> > > > > > > > > >> to dependence or the lack of it on the police. >> > > Demonstrations are >> > > > > > fine >> > > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > > > >> not unless they are consolidated with consistent >> > > > > > > > > >> action. We >> > > had a >> > > > > > > > great >> > > > > > > > > >> demonstration early this year over the History >> > > > > > > > > >> Department >> > > vndalism >> > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> same people and at the close of the year we have this. >> > > > > > > > > >> What >> > > does >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > prove? >> > > > > > > > > >> That coming out in hundreds on one day means nothing in >> > > > > > > > > >> the >> > > long >> > > > > > run. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> I was well aware of the reactions of the audience (much >> > > > > > > > > >> of >> > > it was >> > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> press release) and I commend them, But these are simply >> > > > > > > > > >> not >> > > > > > enough. >> > > > > > > > Geelani >> > > > > > > > > >> was spat upon and humiiated, microphones broken, tables >> > > > > > > > > >> and >> > > chairs >> > > > > > > > > >> vandalised, windows broken. All of this can and must be >> > > avoided in >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> future by creating a strong secular student-teacher >> > > > > > > > > >> body >> > > like the >> > > > > > > > erstwhile >> > > > > > > > > >> Delhi University Forum for Democracy. That it died is >> > > indication >> > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> whole point of my article. That the Right organises and >> > > > > > consolidates >> > > > > > > > well >> > > > > > > > > >> and we on the secular front and the Left don't. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> We need to learn from that and organise and >> > > > > > > > > >> consistently >> > > fight >> > > > > > against >> > > > > > > > > >> these fascist goons. >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> -- >> > > > > > > > > >> Ranjit >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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