not only organised left but also the Right whose jokes have been the bane of our society it s joke to be Indians so, thanks
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ramanan KP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Intellectuals talking. Stay away, we, the commons can't engage in the > polemical polymorphism of Ranju's positions that are coherent to > congnitive but dual to the core, it succeeeds to evoke insignificant > potentialities of power and agency within the organised left's > subconcious. There by it is a joke. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:05 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks > > :) > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Ah, that's what I suggested as a possible oversight in your typing. > >> Thanks for the response here. > >> Regards, > >> Venu. > >> > >> On 11 Nov, 15:14, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > oh yes.. u may be right. undermine or not but one can't underestimate > >> > it. > >> > that could be a better expression perhaps. > >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:45 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Plz correct the line in my earlier post as > >> > > " as polemical energy that exists outside the organized/official > >> > > left".. > >> > > >> > > On Nov 11, 2:10 pm, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > Ranju, > >> > > > Kindly make your point a bit clearer. > >> > > > I can't find( why) the power of the organized left in > manipulating > >> > > > discourses should not be undermined,,,Instead, I find it as most > >> > > > urgent in view of defending the polemical energy you mentioned. > >> > > > Regards, > >> > > > Venu > >> > > >> > > > On Nov 11, 1:31 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > it can be read as; "The power of the organised left should not > be > >> > > undermined > >> > > > > which it uses to exert polemical energy in manipulatng dicourses > >> > > > > at the > >> > > > > public realm. > >> > > >> > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > >"The organised Left should not > >> > > > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that > excert > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm" > >> > > >> > > > > > As I find here, this statement by Ranju is most probably meant > >> > > > > > to be > >> > > > > > read as "..organized left ..should be" and not as "..should > not > >> > > > > > be". > >> > > > > > And, l hence like to fully endorse his views. > >> > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > Venu. > >> > > >> > > > > > On Nov 10, 7:45 pm, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > > > > > > just adding .. > >> > > >> > > > > > > in fact the left (the mainstream left ) in kerala often > proves > >> > > > > > > us > >> > > wrong. > >> > > > > > > they are well ahead with the Right in organising and > >> > > > > > > consolidating > >> > > and of > >> > > > > > > course acting in the very way what we witnessed in Art > Faculty > >> > > > > > > in > >> > > DElhi > >> > > > > > > university and last year in baroda. The organised Left > should > >> > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > be undermined of its power to manipulate perfomances that > >> > > > > > > excert > >> > > the > >> > > > > > > polemical energy to tranform discourses at the public realm. > >> > > > > > > what ashley arguing may be to constitute such a polemical > >> > > > > > > realm > >> > > where the > >> > > > > > > power of the polemics of Left or Right can be countered with > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > same > >> > > > > > > polemical vigor. But a conglomeration of like-minded > >> > > > > > > academically > >> > > > > > oriented > >> > > > > > > people need not constitute it; presence of a politically > >> > > > > > > ambitious > >> > > group > >> > > > > > > might trigger sucha a counter force, i think. Fortunately or > >> > > > > > unfortunately, > >> > > > > > > that is not the case always. This in no way undermine the > >> > > > > > > relvance > >> > > of > >> > > > > > > consolidation of secular democratic people. but unless > >> > > > > > > triggered by > >> > > a > >> > > > > > group > >> > > > > > > or Party (taking cues from Lenin), this may not tranform > into > >> > > > > > > a > >> > > political > >> > > > > > > force. the process for tha same shall be initiated or > ignited > >> > > > > > > by > >> > > these > >> > > > > > very > >> > > > > > > consolidations, though. > >> > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:49 PM, venukm > >> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > .>"That the Right organises and consolidates well > >> > > > > > > > and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >..We need to learn from that and organise and > consistently > >> > > > > > > > > fight > >> > > > > > against > >> > > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > fascist goons."... > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Sounds both modest and reasonable, > >> > > > > > > > provided we acknowledge (and devote more time for) the > need > >> > > > > > > > to > >> > > learn > >> > > > > > > > about not only the forms > >> > > > > > > > but also the content, > >> > > > > > > > which makes the essentials of Right Wing mobilization/ > >> > > > > > > > fascism in > >> > > > > > > > India. > >> > > > > > > > Let's begin to look caste and gender not as separate > >> > > > > > > > things, but > >> > > as > >> > > > > > > > the Brahmanical > >> > > > > > > > amalgam Caste-Gender. > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps this is unique in many ways in its ruthless ways > of > >> > > > > > > > challenging reason everywhere, invoking cults. > >> > > > > > > > This variety of nationalism being itself automatically > >> > > > > > > > embedded > >> > > with > >> > > > > > > > hate and bigotry, you cannot win too many people in your > >> > > > > > > > efforts > >> > > of > >> > > > > > > > defending reason. > >> > > > > > > > This is probably why the RW organizations and > consolidations > >> > > > > > > > are > >> > > > > > > > qualitatively at great variance with those in the Left > >> > > > > > > > camps. > >> > > > > > > > The former offers simple answers to complex questions > >> > > > > > > > ,while the > >> > > > > > > > latter often complicates even seemingly simple things just > >> > > > > > > > not to > >> > > > > > > > offend the status-quo, > >> > > > > > > > and not to loose votes...This is one of the great > paradoxes > >> > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > (Secular) India that this may be the only country in the > >> > > contemporary > >> > > > > > > > world where killing of humans for no reasons would even > >> > > > > > > > "democratically" bring the perpetrators to power with a > >> > > > > > > > greater > >> > > chunk > >> > > > > > > > of popular votes on their side! > >> > > >> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mahtab, > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dont try ur best in my lines, bz these lines are not > drawn > >> > > > > > > > > by > >> > > me. > >> > > > > > Contact > >> > > > > > > > > Ashley Tellis for more details. > >> > > > > > > > > However, thanks for the mail > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mahtab Alam < > >> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ranjit, > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your suggestions. We will try our > >> > > > > > > > > > best in future on the same lines. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > Mahtab > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2008/11/10 Ranjit Ranjit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi hany, > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> This is what Ashley wrote in response to your > comment. > >> > > > > > > > > >> I am > >> > > > > > posting > >> > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > >> bz he is not a member of greenyouth and i have made > the > >> > > initial > >> > > > > > > > posting of > >> > > > > > > > > >> his article. I have also invited him to greenyouth > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> ranjit > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Ranjit, > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Please post this on my behalf on greenyouth as I am > not > >> > > > > > > > > >> a > >> > > member. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks > >> > > > > > > > > >> ashley > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> In reponse to Dr. Hany Babu's retort to my article: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Seeking police protection in advance is wise because > >> > > > > > > > > >> then > >> > > they > >> > > > > > cannot > >> > > > > > > > > >> stand by as mute witnesses but have to take action. I > >> > > > > > > > > >> also > >> > > meant > >> > > > > > > > asking > >> > > > > > > > > >> students to act as security and not just depend on > the > >> > > police as > >> > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > >> done in the past at such events. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> The second reason offered by Dr. Babu does not make > any > >> > > sense in > >> > > > > > > > relation > >> > > > > > > > > >> to dependence or the lack of it on the police. > >> > > Demonstrations are > >> > > > > > fine > >> > > > > > > > but > >> > > > > > > > > >> not unless they are consolidated with consistent > >> > > > > > > > > >> action. We > >> > > had a > >> > > > > > > > great > >> > > > > > > > > >> demonstration early this year over the History > >> > > > > > > > > >> Department > >> > > vndalism > >> > > > > > by > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > >> same people and at the close of the year we have > this. > >> > > > > > > > > >> What > >> > > does > >> > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > prove? > >> > > > > > > > > >> That coming out in hundreds on one day means nothing > in > >> > > > > > > > > >> the > >> > > long > >> > > > > > run. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I was well aware of the reactions of the audience > (much > >> > > > > > > > > >> of > >> > > it was > >> > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > >> press release) and I commend them, But these are > simply > >> > > > > > > > > >> not > >> > > > > > enough. > >> > > > > > > > Geelani > >> > > > > > > > > >> was spat upon and humiiated, microphones broken, > tables > >> > > > > > > > > >> and > >> > > chairs > >> > > > > > > > > >> vandalised, windows broken. All of this can and must > be > >> > > avoided in > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > >> future by creating a strong secular student-teacher > >> > > > > > > > > >> body > >> > > like the > >> > > > > > > > erstwhile > >> > > > > > > > > >> Delhi University Forum for Democracy. That it died is > >> > > indication > >> > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > >> whole point of my article. That the Right organises > and > >> > > > > > consolidates > >> > > > > > > > well > >> > > > > > > > > >> and we on the secular front and the Left don't. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> We need to learn from that and organise and > >> > > > > > > > > >> consistently > >> > > fight > >> > > > > > against > >> > > > > > > > > >> these fascist goons. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> -- > >> > > > > > > > > >> Ranjit > >> > >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
