Gerald Kaufman on Gaza http://exmypar.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/commons-debate-on-gaza/ Live Commons debate
at http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/jan/15/gaza-sraelandthepalestinians 3.15pm: Sir Gerald Kaufman delivers a blistering speech which starts with a reference to his grandmother being killed by the Nazis. [Via Press Association] Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, told MPs: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town … a German soldier shot her dead in her bed. "My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. "The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians." He said the claim that large numbers of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants." The Manchester Gorton MP acknowledged that Hamas was a "deeply nasty organisation" but it was democratically elected and "is the only game in town". Refusing to hold talks with Hamas was a "culpable error from which dreadful consequences have followed", he said. Calling for an arms embargo, he said: "It is time for our government to make clear to the Israeli government that its conduct and policies are unacceptable and to impose a total arms ban on Israel." Sir Gerald added: "It is time for peace - but real peace, not the solution by conquest which is Israel's real goal but which is impossible for them to achieve. "They are not simply war criminals, they are fools." "My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers to kill Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza," he says. 3.16pm: He says that he is a supporter of Israel. "Golda Meir [the former Israeli PM] was my friend," he says. 3.22pm: Hamas is a "detestable organisation", he says. "But it is democratically elected and it is the only game in town. The boycott of Hamas, including by our own government, has been a culpable error from which dreadful consequences have followed." However many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets, the Israelis cannot believe that they will deal with the problem exclusively by military means, he says. "When, however, the fighting ends, there will still be 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza and 2.5 million Palestinians on the West Bank who are being treated like dirt by Israel. "The time will come when it is time for our government to make it clear to the Israeli government that its conduct and policies are unacceptable and to impose a total arms embargo on Israel." Regards Afthab Ellath On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Murali K Warier <[email protected]> wrote: > My dear friend, > > Till now, you or anybody else who commented in this thread haven't > addressed any of my points. No wonder of course, the Left's standard > response is to attack the person -insinuations, vilification and denigration > by association - rather than what he says. I understand your itch when you > see opinions that do not conform to your worldview. But sorry buddy, there > is no cure in medical science for that. > Just a friendly suggestion, mate. If you really want to vilify me as a > Muslim hater, you will have to come up with something more imaginative than > 'neo-Nazi'. As I commented in another > thread<http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth/browse_thread/thread/ad63d8e2e0d672d5/835afcff14a2091e?lnk=gst&q=neo+nazis+love+islamists#835afcff14a2091e>, > the neo-Nazis love the Islamists, not hate them. Modern Islamist movement > had very close ties with the paleo-Nazis. If anything, the Nazis were > Islamophiles, not phobes. And yes, read up some history. Take the Eminent > Journalist's help - though he has missed those pesky little details I just > mentioned, he can still suggest some nice books on 20th century history. > > Cheers, > Murali > > On Jan 15, 10:24 pm, "Afthab Ellath" <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is of course a crucial difference between a Nazis and this > Neo-Nazi... > > During the Nuremberg trials many Nazis did not deny their hate towards > Jews > > and the crime they committed due to that hate.. But this war mongering > > neo-Nazi never felt ashamed of the denial of his muslim hate, while being > > itched 24 x 7 by it... > > > > Regards > > Afthab Ellath > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
