1.Another book on the relation between caste and entreprenuership is by Harish Damodaran focussing on new economy entrepreuners. 2. Is not the sluggish move of Indian economy termed as Hindu rate of growth. Does not it imply the caste-structured immobilty of the economy?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < [email protected]> wrote: > Sreeni, > look at gurumurthy.what is his arguments?Caste is using as a tool of > economic advancement.India,we know that all the castes > /communities/religions like those of the parsis,sindhis,marvaris etc have > already used their network for economic development.One of the briliant > paper on this topic is devanathan's structure of indian working class.Now > that the dalit chamber of commerce has formed.But,dalits they are far off > from the state-affluent caste/community/religion netwok.Now,they are slowly > entering into the business sphere. > > --- On *Wed, 21/1/09, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Is caste an economic development vehicle? > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 11:34 PM > > this is a fine example of perpetuating hate philosophy . and the > sender of this mail i am sure is a communist . > > --- On *Wed, 21/1/09, damodar prasad <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: damodar prasad <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Is caste an economic development vehicle? > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 11:13 PM > > sanjeev, > > Too bad. > If don't you change this "habit" of "opposing" what is not your view, you > will be 'down lifted' (as opposed to "up lift"). > Mind you, State is not going to recognize you based on your caste. > Btw, you can shave-off the beard. It is still creating some id problem in > some parts of the world. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM, sreenivas v.p < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry to say Mr sanjeev . It is the same habit of opposing all that is >> not "our view" >> >> --- On *Wed, 21/1/09, S sanjeev <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> From: S sanjeev <[email protected]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Is caste an economic development vehicle? >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 6:32 PM >> >> sorry to say this mr.sreenivas. >> but your vision is also plain upper caste stuff. >> a terrifying instance of what gurumurthy is saying - "traditional caste, >> by reorienting itself, seems to be handling modernity well". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 21/1/09, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> From: sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Is caste an economic development vehicle? >> To: [email protected], [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 5:59 PM >> >> I would call his arguments the preachings of a sect of upper caste >> people who want caste domination to persist . His arguments on the >> contribution of caste in economic progress is far dimnished by the friction >> created by the hate philosohpy that caste is perpetuating from the antiquity >> . His vision is from that of an upper caste angle who made economic progress >> out of the lower caste people by oppression and suppression . What economic >> progress , the lower caste people of India including the Dalit community >> made except providing cheap labour to the upper caste ? Specialization of >> jobs should not be based on caste , it should be based on capacity and >> willingness of the individual to work . >> Caste has posed a huge threat in the socio economic development of the >> country . It has created divisive politics , bifurcated the student >> community based on colour and above all annihilated the feeling of >> togetherness . The only solution for this menace would be intercaste >> marriages . >> Also the state should not recognize an individual based on his/ her caste >> . >> >> >> --- On *Tue, 20/1/09, C.K. Vishwanath <[email protected]>*wrote: >> >> From: C.K. Vishwanath <[email protected]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Is caste an economic development vehicle? >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 1:01 PM >> >> S.gurumurthy's argument shares certain neo-liberal pundits of india >> very positively.but,the ugly underbelly of indian caste system is >> ignoring.For eg.what is the social capital for valmiki community of >> gujarath?For the past few years,social capital based theories have got an >> upper hand in elite social thinkers.In other words,they are attacking the >> struggles waged by ambedkarian movements and other such subaltern movements >> of india.their problem is lack of social capital. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Is caste an economic development vehicle? >> >> S. Gurumurthy >> Traditional caste, by reorienting itself, seems to be handling modernity >> well. It is modernity that appears clueless as to how to handle caste. >> In his two articles in The Hindu (Jan. 8 and 9, 2009), Justice Markandey >> Katju has brilliantly articulated what was once the colonial — now, the >> modern — view on 'caste.' He asserts, like most do, that caste is a "social >> evil," "divisive," and "a curse" that must be 'eradicated' if India is "to >> prosper." Yet he concedes that, despite its suspected racial origin, caste >> had done good to India by helping in work specialisation, which had made >> India an economic super power till CE 1700. But, he says, it is an old >> story, and the British advent has changed all that. Asking "could India have >> developed like North America and Europe had the British not come?" he >> answers: "there is no use crying over spilt milk." He is now relieved that >> the evil of caste is being destroyed by technology, people's struggles, and >> inter-caste marriages. >> >> In sum, Justice Katju accepts the western anthropological view of Indian >> society. But setting out to validate the western view, the Dravidian and >> Dalit movements actually ended up repudiating it. For it is the very caste >> that such movements fought to snuff out that finally became the vehicle for >> their assertion, surprisingly proving the old saying, "vishasya visham >> oushadam," that is, if caste were poison, it is its cure too. Justice Katju, >> like most scholars — social, economic and political — seems confused about >> how to handle the 'traditional' caste in 'modern' times. While they see it >> as an evil in politics, here is a different view of caste that brings out >> its positive role in market economics, that is, caste as 'modern' >> development — yes, modern economic development — vehicle. >> >> Popular Indian socio-economic discourse today seems to be not fully >> familiar with the emerging phenomenon of 'social capital' — an area of study >> where culture and economics confluence.. Francis Fukuyama, who authored the >> first bible of globalisation (The End of History and the Last Man) and made >> individualism, the free market, and liberal democracy demigods, wrote his >> next book Trust in which, on rethinking, he captured culture as the "20 per >> cent missing element" of economics. As contrasted with individualism- >> dominated societies, he says, relation-based societies generate culturally >> defined social capital. Social capital is non-formal networking based on >> kinship within societies. The emerging view is that social capital expedites >> the socio-economic development process. >> >> Fukuyama had missed out India, therefore caste, as India was not worth >> noticing when he wrote the book Trust. But contemporary writers and modern >> minds like Gurcharan Das and Swaminathan Ankilesaria Aiyar in India did not >> miss that out what Fukuyama had. They perceive caste as a potential engine >> of growth and development. Swaminathan Aiyar saw it as the social capital of >> India. That Justice Katju seems to be unaware of the empirical evidence of >> caste as a development vehicle in economics is evident from his remark that >> "a scientific study' on caste 'is yet to be done." >> >> Caste is a very strong bond. While individuals are related by families, >> castes link the families. Castes transcended the local limits and networked >> the people across. This has prevented the disturbance that industrialism >> caused to neighbourhood societies in the West, resulting in unbridled >> individualism and acute atomisation. In independent India, a contradiction >> has developed between the individualism- centric Constitution and caste >> collectives. Caste-based politics has actually helped to harmonise this >> contradiction between the formal Constitution and the non-formal social >> architecture. In a sense, caste-based politics mediates between traditional >> society and the modern state in India. Yet it can still be argued that the >> caste element in politics is not desirable. But caste in economics is a >> positive drive of development. Read on. >> >> The caste system, which was admittedly savvy with economics over >> millennia, has in modern times engaged the market in economics and democracy >> in politics to reinvent itself. It has become a great source of >> entrepreneurship. Studies show that the castes-based industrial clusters >> lead the nation's industrial development. A UNIDO study (1997) shows that >> out of the 370 small scale industrial clusters and 2600 artisan-based >> clusters, which generated 70 per cent of India's industrial output, 66 per >> cent of exports, and 40 per cent of employment, only 13 were >> government-sponsore d.. The rest had evolved out of the caste/community- >> based network. >> >> Take the case of backward castes. The entrepreneurship generated by the >> Patel caste today dominates two-thirds of the global diamond trade. The >> Nadar caste runs over three-fourths of the retail trade, match works, and >> fireworks in Tamil Nadu. In Tirupur, Goundar caste entrepreneurs, 80 per >> cent of whom are not even matriculates, compete at the global level, >> exporting knitwear garments valued at over $2 billion. The World Development >> Report 2001 found that the social networking within the Goundar caste and >> the circulation of capital by trust had enabled Tirupur's rise as a global >> knitwear hub. In Sankagiri and Namakkal in Tamil Nadu, Goundar caste >> entrepreneurs own the largest fleet of lorry, tanker, and tipper transport >> vehicles in the whole of India. Ninety per cent of them were farmers earlier >> and 20 per cent were just rearing cattle. The list is too long to be >> captured here. >> >> An empirical study was conducted in some 25 caste-based industrial >> clusters in different places in India by a team of academics and >> professionals trained in modern business under the aegis of the Tamil Nadu >> Swadeshi Academic Council. It showed that whether it is the Jatavs of Agra >> and Kanpur, or the Nadars, Naidus, or Goundars of Tamil Nadu, or the Patels >> of Gujarat, or the artisan Ramgadiyas of Punjab, they have risen as >> competent entrepreneurs – many at the global level – mostly by leveraging on >> their kinship-based social capital. Most of them have had very little >> education. It is the community that has acted as the knowledge provider >> thorough kinship and social network. >> >> More information on the caste-based growth model is available in the book >> Indian Models of Economy, Business and Management [Prentice-Hall of India >> 2008] by P. Kanagasabapathi who was part of the Swadeshi Academic Council >> team. A recent book by Harish Damodaran, India's New Capitalists: Caste, >> Business, and Industry in a Modern Nation (Palmgrave Macmillan) also points >> to the evolution of caste as a development vehicle. A study of unregistered >> small and tiny enterprises by the National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) >> in 2005 showed that there were over 42 million such units, out of which 45 >> per cent were owned by backward castes, scheduled castes, and scheduled >> tribes. These 42 million units provided the largest employment outside >> agriculture, engaging 90 million hands, and growing at an annual rate 2.6 >> per cent during 1990-98. So caste is turning into social capital in the >> market economy, and emerging as an open air university for entrepreneurship. >> >> To conclude, traditional caste, by reorienting itself, seems to be >> handling modernity well. It is modernity that appears clueless as to how to >> handle caste. The modern elites see caste as a political nuisance. But they >> seem to be unaware that its perceived nuisance in politics can be mitigated >> by promoting the economic potential of caste. Elite India's dilemma about >> caste seems to be outdated. >> >> (The writer is a political and economic commentator and a corporate >> consultant. His email id is g...@gurumurthy. net <guru%40gurumurthy.net>) >> >> http://www.hindu. com/2009/ 01/19/stories/ 2009011955440900 >> .htm<http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/19/stories/2009011955440900.htm> >> >> "Do not judge me by my actions;Do not judge me from man's point of >> view""Judge me from God's - by the hidden purpose behind my actions. >> Regi George wishing you Good Luck. 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