Prasad, I am agreeing with Sanjeev's "bull's eye" comment :)
"They very well-know these two are incommensurable logics. But these does not annihilate each other as the distance between both are never closed." This Science Vs God - May be influenced by the history of science (the narratives of Bruno's Inquisition<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Inquisition>and Galileo/ Darwin Vs church etc.) * *that we were taught in the school? Also, the depection of Marxism as a somewhat a continution of scientifc revolution? I rememebr KSSP's books- the science cream book series etc--Apart from the stories about masters of science, inventions etc, there were books on Marx's capital, Russian revolution etc. There was a slogan we used to have in the campus "Marxism Satyamnu karanam athu shastramanu" :) "The problem with this new enthusiasts of India's scientific tradition and hardened traditionalist like the Gopalakrishnan type people are that they want to depict the scientific endeavors in terms of tradition. And in turn the static tradition is legitimized in terms of science" Isn't this true about alternative science/technology initiatives also?? Anil On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]>wrote: > "It is exactly not a victory of science since there is nothing > innovative in the endeavor except the fact the space exploration has been > made more cheaper": *i did not understand what u mean by this . can u > please clarify ?* > ** > "It may also have happened that the scientist in the concerned project have > decided the launch time according to Hindu astrology concerning rahukalam": > *This is exactly why they are being criticised . There is something called > 'falsifiability " to refer to a charecteristic any theory must have if it is > to be considered truly scientific .Basically , to be truly scientific , a > theory must be falsifiable .That is to say that it must be so formulated > that it must be possible to predict under what circumstances it could be > proven false .Taking the case of astrology , it is obviously not possible to > prove or disprove the influence of heavenly bodies on the fates of human > beings . this is the reason why astrology is considered to be a pseudo > -science . and including G Madavan nair , nobody can be a preacher of > science and pseudo science simultaneously . So we average people expect > some some sort of morality from them in this regard. * > "this unclarity is that God is not graspable at least in my words and > terms. I don't about yours." ; *Did you mean to say that god exists but it > is incomprehensible to human mind .?**when i say god is incomprehensible , > it is incomprehensible to others , but not my mind . * > ** > *sreenivas* > > ** > ** > > ** > * * > > > --- On *Mon, 2/2/09, damodar prasad <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: damodar prasad <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Oh my GOD > To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 6:56 PM > > I put my comments in this thread only bcoz I find the discussion on God > somewhat uneasy in a thread on 3 establishments as I have mentioned before. > Nonetheless, my response is shaped by that discussion. > > After the successful launch of Chadrayaan, a scientific victory of > Nation-State and Scientific establishment. ( It is exactly not a victory of > science since there is nothing innovative in the endeavor except the fact > the space exploration has been made more cheaper), G.Madhavan Nair, the ISRO > Chief, went to Guruvayur for offering a Tulabaram ( don't know whether > there is an English word for it). Those scientific temper enthusiasts would > have frowned at it as they saw the picture of G.Madhavan Nair "weighing" > himself to God. > > It may also have happened that the scientist in the concerned project have > decided the launch time according to Hindu astrology concerning rahukalam > etc. Anyway that is classified information, which we may not have access to. > > > While working on the project they must have appealed to the GOD for the > success of launch. However, the science- the actual process, the rational > calculations, technological design- behind the whole enterprise was not > based on a theological text or a scripture. God actually did not have a role > in the process. > > They very well-know these two are incommensurable logics. But these does > not annihilate each other as the distance between both are never closed. > > But there are others who would like to "reconcile each other". Here the God > is absent but it is material tradition that is called forth. > > The problem with this new enthusiasts of India's scientific tradition and > hardened traditionalist like the Gopalakrishnan type people are that they > want to depict the scientific endeavors in terms of tradition. And in turn > the static tradition is legitimized in terms of science. The vedic > mathematics are all part of this grand scheme, as I understand. ( > Goapalakrishnan's "Valluvadan" Malayalam oration is also specifically > designed to communicate the purity of Hindu scientific tradition) > > Its a political act. > > when an average ( in the sense of "sadarana") human goes to places of > worship, no one actually cares. This is bcoz we do not endow the average > with 'scientific" intelligence. > > It is when Madhavan Nair or P.Govinda Pillai goes to places of worship, we > have a problem. For that matter, the media concerns itself with religion in > public life when Abdulla Kutty stress the significance of religion or when > the church authorities say that late Mathai Cahcko has baptized his son at > church. > > Here there is a moral expectation of how the public personalities should > behave. The society imposes certain moral codes on them. And some times, > interestingly. the same public persons are criticized for their firmness of > commitment to the ideology they profess. > > Why should we impose such moral codes on public persons as long it does not > hamper civil life? > > This is perhaps bcoz the so-called public always doubted about science and > rationalism or bcoz publci persons are considered as automatons to behave > one-dimensionally. The media deny them alternatives for explorations, > possibilities of new inquiries. > > We can also see that media tends to highlights that some hardcore > Hindutvadi is an atheist or inon- spiritual etc. I have seen reports > communicating that in Advani's home there are no photos of any gods. > > Again, the religious politics little concerns itself with spiritual or the > GOD. > > As a believer I have failed to "understand" what God is. And that's bcoz > the very notions of "understanding" is premised on different theories of > ontology. God fails me in that. Its better to unthink GOD. > > I don't know whether am making clear. One reason, apart from others, for > this unclarity is that God is not graspable at least in my words and terms. > I don't about yours. > > Oh!My god. what a blashpemy!! > > ------------------------------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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