A response from Niloufer Bhagwat:-
This Judgment establishes that the dominant social and economic
classes in Indian society still uphold caste and that in India
broadly economic and social strata are still related to caste and
religious groups . This the mindset of 'the Manuwadis 'for want
of a better expression , the feudal caste foundations of the class
structure in India . I have decided that in response to the expression
' Jehadis ' I shall use the expression Manuwadis or Dharmayoddhas .
The Judge delivering the judgment articulated the dominant viewpoint .
The KHAP PANCHAYATS reflect the overt viewpoint of what is the
dominant viewpoint of Indian society on caste , carefully concealed ,
subterranean and fascist in orientation towards weaker castes and
religious groups . You have to hear the comments on dalits and
minorities by so called Manuwadis who claim to be educated and the
globe trotting segments of society , it is disgusting .Of course all
this vanishes when matrimonial alliances are made with the financially
well heeled sections of dalits and minorities !!!!!!!
It is like in Karnataka it is State policy to attack minorities
Christians and Muslims , yet an autonomous University is speedily
created for Azim Premji .In 92 and 93 when there were pogroms against
Muslims in Mumbai and in Surat there were Congress governments in
these States. Dalits have been attacked in both Congres and BJP ruled
states as well as when the RJD and Samajwadi were in power. At the
height of the Jaiprakash Movement the upper castes brutally attacked
Dalits huts in Gujarat on an anti-Reservation stir for Medical seats
though these Dalits could not afford education leave alone entry into
Medical Colleges .You have seen the Sachar Committee Report on West
Bengal among other States and the Rizwanoor tragedy .The Gujarat
pogroms are very much in the news . The fact is that is social ,
economic and political policy which makes for caste stratification and
consolidation and attacks on minorities . Caste and Religion are
utilized as a substitute for policy in India by more than one
political party .
So you can see the contradictions . The upper class Christians ,
Dalits and Muslims are embraced in particular those in a position to
expend financial largesse . The globe trotting of these classes and
their support for GLOBALIZATION has improved neither there mindset nor
their revivalism and obscurantism . A former governor of the then bi-
lingual state of Bombay Sri Prakasa revealed the hypocrisy of
religious groups opposing Cow slaughter in UP and then at the dead of
night the Hindu pujari selling the poor Cow who was not required any
more for agricultural operations to the Muslim butcher. The reality
is that irrespective of religious beliefs in Rural India the
agriculturist loves his farm animals , however it is economics which
dictates the disposal of cattle . The entire Leather industry is
based on cattle and the entrepreneurs and exporters are not in the
majority Muslims or Christians or Dalits .
The former Kings of Nepal before the abolition of the Monarchy used
to come to India to sacrifice very young Calfs as per ritual
sacrifice as per ancient Vedic custom before Hinduism adopted Buddhist
and Jain practices of vegetarianism and respect for all animal life .
This used to happen when the BJP government and the UPA and the
Congress were in power as well as the UF governments.
Niloufer Bhagwat
On Mar 30, 3:52 pm, venukm <[email protected]> wrote:
> so called so called and so called...we don't share this, but we have
> no worries with these so called(s) either! further, we doubt that
> crimes motivated by these so called(s) are even worth calling crimes!
> Perhaps they could be seen like essential manly acts carried out in
> order to bring back the honour of family and caste , which had been
> pissed upon by a silly but arrogant woman...!
>
> Just see the callousness to the very constitutional principles and to
> the responsibility of the state in safeguarding life and personal
> liberty of citizens! Indeed an ominous trend which lurks about in the
> super conduits of administration of justice. This happens after Indian
> Courts had passed several landmark judgments in upholding the
> fundamental rights of citizens! The Delhi HC judgment in 2009 on sec
> 377 IPC, is a case in point, which decriminalizes homosexuality on
> the ground that discrimination on the basis of 'sex' should mean to
> include discrimination on the basis of 'sexual orientation'!
> In a remarkable foresight about the possible distortion of the
> constitutional principles thanks to casteiest and sexist attitudes of
> the Brahmanical elites sitting as judges of the new Republic,
> Ambedkar had underscored the importance and prevalence of
> Constitutional Morality over what could be practised as Social
> Morality, if conflict may arise between the two.
>
> On Mar 30, 2:09 pm, Venugopalan K M <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.countercurrents.org/kunhu290310.htm#HCB_comment_box
>
> > "Sushma was the younger sister of this accused. It is a common experience
> > that when the younger sister commits something unusual and in this case it
> > was an intercaste, intercommunity marriage out of the secret love affair,
> > then in the society it is the elder brother who justifiably or otherwise is
> > held responsible for not stopping such affair. It is held as the family
> > defeat. At times, he has to suffer taunts and snide remarks even from the
> > persons who really have no business to poke their nose into the affairs of
> > the family. Dilip, therefore, must have been a prey of the so-called insult
> > which his younger sister had imposed upon his family and that must have been
> > in his mind for seven long months. It has come in the evidence that even if
> > the marriage was performed with Prabhu, there were efforts made by the
> > family members of Dilip to bring Sushma back. It has come in evidence that
> > mother of Dilip tried to lure back Sushma and so did her other married
> > sister Kalpana who actually went on to meet Sushma in her college. Those
> > efforts paid no dividends. In stead, Sushma kept on attending the college
> > thereby openly mixing with the society. This must have added insult to the
> > injury felt by the family members and more particularly, accused Dilip. Why
> > did he wait for seven months? The answer lies in the fact that Sushma became
> > pregnant and thus reached a point of no return. Till such time as she became
> > pregnant, there might have been some hopes in the family to win her back but
> > once she became pregnant, even that distant hope faded away and, in our
> > opinion, that is the reason why this ghastly episode took place. As if all
> > this was not sufficient, Dilip himself must have had the feeling of being
> > cheated. It is not that Dilip did not know Prabhu who was living only three
> > houses away from his house. The secret love affair which went on between
> > Sushma and Prabhu for which Abhayraj acted as a messenger must have raised
> > the feeling of being cheated by Prabhu. This was further aggravated because
> > of the so-called higher status of a Brahmin family on the part of Dilip and
> > so- called non-Brahmin status of Prabhu. It has come on record that Sushma
> > was moved to Andheri at the house of Shashidharan and this ought to have
> > added as a spark which resulted in tornado. Dilip undoubtedly was a young
> > person not even having crossed his 25 years of life and not having any
> > criminal antecedent. If he became the victim of his wrong but genuine caste
> > considerations, it would not justify the death sentence. The murders were
> > the outcome of social issue like a marriage with a person of so-called lower
> > caste. However, a time has come when we have to consider these social issues
> > as relevant, while considering the death sentence in the circumstances as
> > these. The caste is a concept which grips a person before his birth and does
> > not leave him even after his death. The vicious grip of the caste,
> > community, religion, though totally unjustified, is a stark reality. The
> > psyche of the offender in the background of a social issue like an
> > inter-caste-community marriage, though wholly unjustified would have to be
> > considered in the peculiar circumstances of this case. "
>
> > This convoluted reasoning on one hand upholds the sanctity of death penalty
> > as the highest form of punishment and then goes on to assert that the above
> > crime is not heinous enough to attract the highest punishment. It reduces
> > the culpability of the offenders on the ground that caste and gender
> > considerations can mitigate the intensity of the crime. I thought the
> > highest court of the land would argue otherwise - that the casteist and
> > patriarchal motives that spurred the crime would aggravate the intensity of
> > the crime.
>
> > You cannot build anything on the foundations of caste. You cannot build up a
> > nation, you cannot build up a morality. Anything that you will build on the
> > foundations of caste will crack and will never be a whole.
> > -AMBEDKAR
>
> >http://venukm.blogspot.com
>
> >http://www.shelfari.com/kmvenuannur
>
> >http://kmvenuannur.livejournal.com
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