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If it had been real, it would have been all over the media. Unquote Sorry! Sukla On 1 January 2014 23:45, Mukul Dube <[email protected]> wrote: > Apply what labels you please. By doing that you put yourself in the > same general class as Mister Francis. > > MD > > On Wednesday 01 January 2014 11:36 PM, Sukla Sen wrote: > > One has to take note of the trajectory - the dynamics - of history. > > A static and absolutist view taken in isolation from the specific > > process is not of much use. > > > > Marx used "man" even to denote "woman". That stands badly outdated > > today, would sound outrageous to many. > > But then Marx has to be understood in his given context. > > > > Sukla > > > > > > On 1 January 2014 23:25, Mukul Dube <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > His words must be weighed against rationality. > > > > I am not one of those who hold dilute poison to be preferable to > > concentrated poison. > > > > MD > > > > On Wednesday 01 January 2014 11:20 PM, Sukla Sen wrote: > > > His pronouncement has got be viewed in context, juxtaposed with > > those > > > of his predecessors for a fair evaluation. > > > > > > Sukla > > > > > > On 01/01/2014, Mukul Dube <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> "Even atheists acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and > > >> charity the atheist acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own > > >> soul,...". > > >> > > >> Double talk, stuff like our Brahmins spout. The old nonsense that > > >> "love and charity" can come only from that god fellow. I have > from > > >> time to time done good things and have helped others: but I > > will not > > >> accept my actions' being labelled an acknowledgement of any damn > > >> divinity. Nor will I fall for this tripe about my damn soul. Let > > >> Mister Francis pretend to own me and all the world -- but I am > > my own > > >> man and no religious dalal may speak for me. > > >> > > >> MD > > >> > > >> On Wednesday 01 January 2014 10:30 PM, Sukla Sen wrote: > > >>> [This is something truly breathtaking. > > >>> The Pope Francis has just fallen short of renouncing God with > > all its > > >>> paraphernalia and adopting pure and simple humanism as his > creed. > > >>> What an incredibly long distance Catholicism has traversed, > > with the > > >>> present Pope at its helm, from the days of Inquisition!] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ALL RELIGIONS ARE TRUE, ADAM AND EVE A FABLE, HELL IS A MERE > > METAPHOR > > >>> – says Pope Francis > > >>> > > >>> December 28, 2013 > > >>> > > >>> > > > http://mojidanisa2.com/2013/12/28/all-religions-are-true-adam-and-eve-a-fable-hell-is-a-mere-metaphor-says-pope-francis/ > > >>> > > >>> For the last six months, Catholic cardinals, bishops and > > theologians > > >>> have been deliberating in Vatican City, discussing the future > > of the > > >>> church and redefining long-held Catholic doctrines and > > dogmas. The > > >>> Third Vatican Council, is undoubtedly the largest and most > > important > > >>> since the Second Vatican Council was concluded in 1962. Pope > > Francis > > >>> convened the new council to “finally finish the work of the > > Second > > >>> Vatican Council.” While some traditionalists and conservative > > >>> reactionaries on the far right have decried these efforts, > > they have > > >>> delighted progressives around the world. > > >>> > > >>> The Third Vatican Council concluded today with Pope Francis > > announcing > > >>> that Catholicism is now a “modern and reasonable religion, > > which has > > >>> undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all > > >>> intolerance. We must recognize that religious truth evolves and > > >>> changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even atheists > > >>> acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and charity the > > atheist > > >>> acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own soul, becoming > > an active > > >>> participant in the redemption of humanity.” > > >>> > > >>> “Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful > > contemplation we have > > >>> gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no > > longer > > >>> believes in a literal hell where people suffer. This doctrine is > > >>> incompatible with the infinite love of God. God is not a > > judge but a > > >>> friend and a lover of humanity. God seeks not to condemn but > > only to > > >>> embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a > > literary > > >>> device. Hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, > > which like > > >>> all souls ultimately will be united in love with God” Pope > > Francis > > >>> declared. > > >>> > > >>> In a speech that shocked many, the Pope claimed “All > > religions are > > >>> true, because they are true in the hearts of all those who > > believe in > > >>> them. What other kind of truth is there? In the past, the > > church has > > >>> been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today, > > we no > > >>> longer judge. Like a loving father, we never condemn our > > children. Our > > >>> church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the > > >>> pro-life and the pro-choice! For conservatives and liberals, > even > > >>> communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and > > worship the > > >>> same God.” > > >>> > > >>> One statement in the Pope’s speech has sent traditionalists > > into a fit > > >>> of confusion and hysteria. “God is changing and evolving as > > we are, > > >>> For God lives in us and in our hearts. When we spread love and > > >>> kindness in the world, we touch our own divinity and > > recognize it. The > > >>> Bible is a beautiful holy book, but like all great and > > ancient works, > > >>> some passages are outdated. Some even call for intolerance or > > >>> judgement. The time has come to see these verses as later > > >>> interpolations, contrary to the message of love and truth, which > > >>> otherwise radiates through scripture. In accordance with our new > > >>> understanding, we will begin to ordain women as cardinals, > > bishops and > > >>> priests. In the future, it is my hope that we will have a > > woman pope > > >>> one day. Let no door be closed to women that is open to men!” > > >>> > > >>> In addition to the Pope’s sweeping calls for tolerance and a new > > >>> progressive understanding of Catholicism, he condemned > > racism, raising > > >>> his voice and pounding the podium in front of him. Pope > > Francis spent > > >>> over an hour castigating anti-immigrant politicians, parties and > > >>> individuals. Wagging his finger sternly with righteous > > indignation, > > >>> the Pope shouted “Racism today is the ultimate evil in the > > world. When > > >>> Italians, Spanish or French turn back the boats of African > > migrants > > >>> seeking a better life, are they not like the inn keeper who > > told Mary > > >>> and Joseph that there was no room for them and the infant > Christ? > > >>> These migrants are children of God and we are commanded to > > love them!” > > >>> > > >>> His voice loudly echoing through St. Peter’s basilica, the > > Pope stated > > >>> “those who would dare to turn immigrants away, be they legal or > > >>> undocumented, turn their backs on Christ himself! A racist is > > not a > > >>> true Christian. A racist casts aside his humanity to become a > > beast, a > > >>> demon! He is the embodiment and personification of evil, a > > Satan!” > > >>> > > >>> To a chorus of thunderous applause, Pope Francis stated “because > > >>> Muslims, Hindus and African Animists are also made in the very > > >>> likeness and image of God, to hate them is to hate God! To > > reject them > > >>> to is to reject God and the Gospel of Christ. Whether we > > worship at a > > >>> church, a synagogue, a mosque or a mandir, it does not > > matter. Whether > > >>> we call God, Jesus, Adonai, Allah or Krishna, we all worship > > the same > > >>> God of love. This truth is self-evident to all who have love and > > >>> humility in their hearts!” > > >>> > > >>> In a announcement that shocked many people, Pope Francis > > warned that > > >>> “those who seek to deny a home to the migrant, to the African > > and the > > >>> Muslim, risk their membership in the church. We will consider > > >>> excommunication for those whose souls willingly dwell in the > > darkness > > >>> and evil of intolerance and racism. Satan himself is a > > metaphor or a > > >>> personification, for the collective evils of mankind. Today, > > these > > >>> evils manifest foremost as racism, intolerance, religious > > persecution > > >>> and bigotries of all kinds.” > > >>> > > >>> A couple of prominent Catholic cardinals have responded to Pope > > >>> Francis’ declarations by leaving the church. Cardinal Arinze of > > >>> Nigeria asked, “what do we stand for if we declare that truth is > > >>> relative? On the contrary, truth exists independently of our > > personal > > >>> feelings. All of this talk of love and tolerance is hollow if > > we have > > >>> no identity of our own, if we stand for nothing. I charge > > that Francis > > >>> has become a heretic, and that he is not a valid Pope. > > Indeed, Francis > > >>> is no longer even a Catholic. The seat of Saint Peter is > > vacant. I am > > >>> now a Sedevacantist. I should have become one long ago. The > > Vatican > > >>> has embraced ecumenism in the past, but worse than that, it > > has now > > >>> embraced moral relativism on abortion and homosexuality. At > > the same > > >>> time it is embracing moral absolutism in favour of illegal > > immigration > > >>> and cultural genocide against Europe.” > > >>> > > >>> In his most controversial statement, Cardinal Arinze said > > “Islam has > > >>> overrun my own country, and now it threatens to overrun > > Europe. Some > > >>> parts of Nigeria now live under Islamic Sharia law. Catholics > > there > > >>> are no longer free to practice their faith publicly. Francis > > is a fool > > >>> if he thinks that his liberal immigration policy will end > > well. He has > > >>> betrayed western civilization. Vatican City will one day become > a > > >>> giant mosque if things continue in Europe along their present > > course. > > >>> Those in the West who ignore this truth, do so at their own > > peril.” > > >>> > > >>> In an angry and vitriolic rant revealing deep self-hating > > tendencies, > > >>> the African Cardinal Arinze stated “There is nothing wrong with > > >>> Europeans who want to protect their borders. The problem is > > that there > > >>> is not enough border control and the immigration policies are > > far too > > >>> lenient in Europe. Is it racist to desire to preserve one’s > > own home? > > >>> Why is it racist to want to preserve your own culture and a > > future for > > >>> your people and your children? Have white people gone stupid > > today?” > > >>> > > >>> This much is clear, the Catholic Church has made a decision > > to rejoin > > >>> humanity and to reject intolerance and extremism. The church > > has lost > > >>> a few narrow-minded bigots, with reports of some small > > parishes and a > > >>> few cardinals and bishops defecting, but Pope Francis has > > gained the > > >>> friendship of the world. Pope Francis deserves praise for > > taking a > > >>> humane stand in defence of human rights and against bigotry. > > >>> > > >>> Credit to diversity Chronicle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Peace Is Doable > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Mukul Dube > > >> D-504 Purvasha (Anand Lok) Apts. > > >> Mayur Vihar 1 > > >> Delhi 110091 > > >> India > > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > >> + 91 - 987 355 3167 > > >> 011 - 2275 0240 > > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8234304@N03/ > > >> > > http://www.shotindia.com/searchresults.aspx?photo=3903&phname=Mukul > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Yahoo Groups Links > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mukul Dube > > D-504 Purvasha (Anand Lok) Apts. > > Mayur Vihar 1 > > Delhi 110091 > > India > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > + 91 - 987 355 3167 > > 011 - 2275 0240 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8234304@N03/ > > http://www.shotindia.com/searchresults.aspx?photo=3903&phname=Mukul > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > > > > [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Peace Is Doable > > > > > > -- > Mukul Dube > D-504 Purvasha (Anand Lok) Apts. > Mayur Vihar 1 > Delhi 110091 > India > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] > + 91 - 987 355 3167 > 011 - 2275 0240 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8234304@N03/ > http://www.shotindia.com/searchresults.aspx?photo=3903&phname=Mukul > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indiathinkersnet/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indiathinkersnet/join > (Yahoo! 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