What are the positive attributes of the Mujaheddin? Were't they armed and funded by the CIA and the Saudis as well? How distinct are the Mujaheddin from the Taliban and the AQ other than differences in degree?
On 16 September 2014 19:54, raja swamy <[email protected]> wrote: > Friends, > I think there is a problematic conflation of anti-Soviet Mujahideen with > AQ. The latter emerged much later in the context of Taliban, and its > internationalization via Saudi-ISI finance/training in the 1990s. By then > the remnants of the Mujahideen (which didn't slaughter itself) was itself > seen as enemy by the Taliban and its foreign Saudi allies ("AQ"). Now no > doubt both Talibs and AQ in this period were amply aided by US and its > allies, with Talibs even hanging around in Houston in negotiations over > pipelines (until that failed, and suddenly they became enemies). > clarity is critical, Mujahideen is distinct from later formations like > Taliban and AQ. > > raja.. > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Feroze Mithiborwala < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> That's right Jayaprakash. The script is very much the same & so are the >> strategies & tactics. >> >> We have an updates software version - al qaeda to al qaeda 2.0 isis >> version, from bin laden to al abaghdadi 2.0 version >> >> Watch this excellent presentation >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3tINgWfQE >> >> The Geopolitics of WWIII.- Why Russia & Syria are being targeted. >> >> Its an excellent documentary. Watch it without fail. >> >> Regards >> >> On 16 September 2014 19:00, Jayaprakash Nd <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is called the policy of "hunting with the hound and running with the >>> hare". First you create a monster to do your dirty work against humanity; >>> then you appear as the saviour to save humanity from the monster! A >>> perfect >>> strategy to serve the interests of the military-industrial-complex! >>> >>> On 16 September 2014 18:07, Sukla Sen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > That the US had actively promoted the AQ and its chieftain Osama bin >>> > Laden to fight Soviet occupation (?) of Afghanistan is also just no >>> > news as much as the fact that Osama was killed by the US armed forces >>> > (Navy SEALs) by carrying out a surprise, and obviously illegal, air >>> > raid deep within Pakistani territory where he was living incognito, >>> > presumably under the protection of an important segment of the >>> > Pakistani state, being labelled as the mastermind of the 9/11. >>> > >>> > Here is a fairly detailed, plausible, account of bin Laden: >>> > < >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Mujahideen_in_Afghanistan>. >>> > >>> > Sukla >>> > >>> > On 16/09/2014, Jayaprakash Nd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Kindly listen to the video properly. The following is what Hillary >>> > Clinton >>> > > states in no uncertain terms: >>> > > *"Now you look back; the people we are fighting today we were >>> supporting >>> > in >>> > > the fight against the Soviets."* >>> > > >>> > > There is more from Hillary Clinton: >>> > > *"Let us remember here, the people we are fighting today we funded >>> twenty >>> > > years ago.... You know we said, it is a pretty good idea.... Let us >>> deal >>> > > with the ISI and the Pakistan military and let us go and recruit >>> > > these Mujaheddin and that's great and let us get some to come from >>> Saudi >>> > > Arabia and other places importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam so >>> that we >>> > > can go and beat the Soviet Union.... But let us be careful about >>> what we >>> > > sow because we will harvest...." * >>> > > >>> > > On 16 September 2014 09:26, raja swamy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Clinton refers to the Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviet >>> > occupation. >>> > >> She does *not* refer to Al Qaida at all. Evidence of US involvement >>> wrt >>> > >> AQ, >>> > >> ISIS, various fanatical, fascistic formations ad nauseum across the >>> > >> planet >>> > >> is not lacking; however this video is hardly the explosive evidence >>> the >>> > >> opening caption makes it out to be. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> raja.. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Jayaprakash Nd <[email protected]> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> Dear Sukla/Feroze, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> The following video that Ram Puniyani had posted on 05 Sept. 2014 >>> > should >>> > >>> clear all confusion regarding the problem under discussion. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> JP >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ++++++++++++++++ >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> *"While one has burnt midnight oil to unravel the trajectory of US >>> > >>> policy >>> > >>> through books with solid scholarship, the job of understanding >>> this has >>> > >>> become easy with a small video clip of Hillary Clinton. Very >>> smartly >>> > and >>> > >>> briskly she tells us that it was US which created Al Qaeda by >>> > >>> indoctrinating the Muslim youth. >>> > >>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLhRKj6633w >>> > >>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLhRKj6633w>). A peep into the >>> history >>> > >>> of >>> > >>> the region tells us that this indoctrination was done by using the >>> > >>> distorted version of Islam, Wahabbism to be more precise."* >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> *ISIS, Oil Politics and Peaking of Islamophobia * >>> > >>> *Ram Puniyani* >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Foil-l mailing list >>> > >>> [email protected] >>> > >>> http://insaf.net/mailman/listinfo/foil-l_insaf.net >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Visiting Assistant Professor >>> > >> Department of Anthropology >>> > >> University of Arkansas >>> > >> Fayetteville, AR 72701 >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > > "Green Youth Movement" group. >>> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> > > email to [email protected]. >>> > > To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >>> > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth. >>> > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Peace Is Doable >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Green Youth Movement" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> > email to [email protected]. >>> > To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foil-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://insaf.net/mailman/listinfo/foil-l_insaf.net >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Feroze Mithiborwala >> > > > > -- > Visiting Assistant Professor > Department of Anthropology > University of Arkansas > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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