[Yet in today’s Narendra Modi-led India, those Muslims who dare speak
out are told to go to Pakistan; those liberals or leftists who dare
condemn the BJP for creating a “climate of intolerance” are accused of
trying to “defame the government and in turn… defame the image of
India”, to quote Madhav on my show, thereby conflating the ruling BJP
with the nation of India.]

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/ram-madhav-mehdi-hasan-al-jazeera/#sthash.KPXT9JEX.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/u0KQUq5H3y

Head to head with hate
Hell has no fury like a Hindu nationalist scorned — as I found out
after my Ram Madhav interview.

Written by Mehdi Hasan | Updated: December 31, 2015 12:08 pm

In a talk program titled ‘Is Modi’s India flirting with fascism?’,
Mehdi Hasan grilled Ram Madhav on issues ranging from Kashmir to
religious intolerance in India.

“Anger and intolerance,” observed the greatest of Indians, Mohandas
Gandhi, “are the enemies of correct understanding”.

So what would the Mahatma say if he were alive today, in modern India,
with his own Twitter account and Facebook page? What would he make of
the anger and intolerance of the country’s right-wing internet trolls,
long ago dubbed the “bhakts”, and condemned by the former Indian
intelligence official B. Raman for their “abuse, vituperation,
disinformation [and] character assassination”?

To witness from afar the angry antics of the bhakt army — or the Modi
toadies to quote Salman Rushdie — is one thing; to be on the receiving
end of their relentless hate and bile is another. Over the past three
years, on my show, Head to Head, on Al Jazeera English, I have
interviewed more than 30 high-profile guests from around the world,
ranging from Israeli settler leader Dani Dayan to “New Atheist”
scientist Richard Dawkins to the former Pakistani ISI chief Asad
Durrani.

Yet never have I experienced the sort of backlash that I have had to
endure online over the past few days, in the wake of my
headline-grabbing interview with Ram Madhav, national general
secretary of the BJP and former spokesperson for the RSS. Not from
Nigerians, Israelis, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Americans or
Britons.

Hell, it seems, has no fury like a Hindu nationalist scorned. I have
been denounced and defamed as a “closet Islamist”, a “funder of ISIS”,
and — perhaps the most damning appellation of all in The Bumper Book
of Bhakt Political Insults — a “Pakistani”.

For the record, I have no ties to Pakistan whatsoever. I am, you might
say, a child of India: Born and raised in the UK but to parents born
and raised in India. I spent most of my summer holidays as a child in
Hyderabad and even got married there.

***Yet in today’s Narendra Modi-led India, those Muslims who dare
speak out are told to go to Pakistan; those liberals or leftists who
dare condemn the BJP for creating a “climate of intolerance” are
accused of trying to “defame the government and in turn… defame the
image of India”, to quote Madhav on my show, thereby conflating the
ruling BJP with the nation of India.*** [Emphasis added.]

As for the laughable charge of “Islamism”, I happen to be the author
of a piece headlined, “There is nothing Islamic about a state”. My
2014 Head to Head interview with Muslim thinker Tariq Ramadan was
titled, “Has Political Islam failed?” (Yes, almost a decade ago, I
gave a speech in which I regrettably and foolishly quoted a verse from
the Quran that refers, metaphorically, to unthinking non-Muslims as
“cattle” but — and here’s what the bhakts conveniently overlook — I
also quoted a verse from the Quran that refers to unthinking Muslims
as “cattle”, too.)

But why focus on the message when you can shoot the messenger? Let’s
be clear: There was no conspiracy against Madhav or the BJP. First, it
was pure coincidence that my interview, recorded in Oxford on December
7, was aired on December 25, the day the Indian prime minister arrived
in Lahore to meet with his Pakistani counterpart. Believe it or not,
Prime Minister Modi did not share in advance with Al Jazeera his
secret plans to wish Nawaz Sharif a happy birthday in person.

Second, prior to appearing on Head to Head, Madhav was personally
briefed by my producers about the “gladiatorial” format of the show
and claimed to have enjoyed watching my earlier confrontation with
General Durrani. (Perhaps he and his supporters only enjoy interviews
in which I pose tough questions to Pakistanis.)

Third, the title of the show, “Is India flirting with fascism?”, is no
more biased or provocative than the title of my 2014 Head to Head with
feminist Mona Eltahawy, “Do Arab men hate women?”, or of my 2013 clash
with author Irshad Manji, “What is wrong with Islam today?”
The inconvenient truth for the bhakts is that a senior BJP official
not only pointed at his Muslim interviewer and said “your ISIS” but
also admitted to supporting the RSS vision of “Akhand Bharat”, in
which Pakistan and Bangladesh are re-united with India. The BJP has
been forced to disown Madhav’s comments, which undermined Modi’s visit
to Pakistan and gave the opposition plenty of anti-Hindutva
ammunition.

Madhav’s latest claim that his “Akhand Bharat” remarks were in
relation to a “cultural idea” is disingenuous, to say the least.
Speaking to me on Head to Head, the BJP national general secretary
referred explicitly to political, not cultural, unification: “If two
Germanies can come together, if two Vietnams can come together, what
makes you to think… that Pakistan and India cannot come together?”

This important admission came at a personal cost: The bhakt army
continues to hound me on social media. So, do I regret interviewing
Ram Madhav? Not at all. As the old adage goes, the job of a journalist
is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable”. It is a
principle that has underpinned every single one of my interviews,
whether with the former prime minister of Israel or the current
foreign minister of Qatar.

Now, whether Madhav regrets appearing on Head to Head, however, is
another matter. On the issue of “Akhand Bharat”, after all, the former
RSS spin doctor has a lot more spinning to do.
The writer is presenter of ‘Head to Head’ on Al Jazeera English. His
interview with Ram Madhav is available at www.aljazeera.com/headtohead
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