http://www.rediff.com/news/interview/why-does-the-prime-minister-follow-trolls/20161228.htm

'Why does the prime minister follow trolls?'

December 28, 2016 22:30 IST

'Which leader in the world follows people who make rape threat to their rivals?'
'Which prime minister in the world follows people who give death
threats routinely?'
'It is shocking. There is no other world leader who does it.'

Journalist Swati Chaturvedi's latest book I am a Troll charges the
ruling Bharatiya Janata Party with sending trolls after mediapersons
and threatening some women with rape on social media.

In her book, Chaturvedi quotes Sadhavi Khosla, a former member of the
BJP's IT cell who accused the party of targeting minorities, liberals,
journalists and the Gandhi family.

Earlier on Wednesday, December 28, Arvind Gupta, convenor of the BJP's
IT cell, denied the allegations and said Khosla was never a part of
his team in an interview to Rediff.com

The BJP, Gupta said, had never indulged in trolling.

A couple of hours later, Chaturvedi spoke to Rediff.com's Syed Firdaus
Ashraf and challenged Gupta's statements.

Swati ChaturvediI interviewed Arvind Gupta head of the BJP IT cell and
he said Sadhavi Khosla had never worked for them.

That is rubbish. I have documentary proof. That is complete rubbish.

He also said the BJP doesn't indulge in trolling, that they have a
policy against it.

Yes, and we all believe that (laughs). If you are on Twitter, you will
come to know all about this.

He also questioned why no mediaperson had flagged your past of being
an abusive troll on Twitter.

There is one tweet when the Charlie Hebdo incident happened. I called
somebody an ass. Now is calling someone an ass abuse?

If thousands of his people attack me, abuse me... and if I say 'ass',
that's an abuse?

I am an investigative journalist, who has always written against the
government in power.

When I got serial rape threats in September 2014 I called the hyena
pack 'fuck wits' which the Oxford dictionary defines as 'stupid or
contemptible.'

I stand by that. It cannot possibly be trolling as I was responding to
serial attacks and sexual harassment.

I have a 20-year distinguished career in journalism. Why doesn't Gupta
do some research before he says something like this?

Why is he not addressing the fact that the ruling party and the cell
that he presides over are actually abusing citizens?

Forget journalists, but citizens too.

Is this okay in a democracy?

And why is Prime Minister Narendra Modi following abusive (Twitter)
handles that post rape threats and death threats? I have documented
all that.

And why are government handles like Digital India calling journalists
'presstitutes'?

Gupta denies Sadhavi Khosla worked for the BJP IT cell. He says he met
her once, and that she now works for the Congress party in Punjab.

That is a slanderous allegation.

Sadhavi Khosla runs a knowledge person outflow and is a documentary filmmaker.

Maybe Mr Gupta is so unnerved that he has resorted to making this
ridiculous argument.

Why did you write this book?

I am seeing a culture of frightening bigotry and hate being hoisted in
this country by the ruling party.

No action is being taken against communal incitement by the (Twitter)
handles of the ruling party.

As an investigative journalist, I wanted to investigate this phenomena
and I kind of cracked the link it has to Mr Gupta.

He cannot dodge responsibility.

Rather than addressing these issues, why is he resorting to personal
abuse and slander?

By the way, it justifies my thesis because that is all that they do.

Also, I am worried that tomorrow we will probably have riots in our
country because of the amount of hate and bigotry that the BJP is
mainstreaming though social media. They are attacking people who have
different viewpoint from theirs.

Why is the BJP targeting people who they see are adversarial to them?

Do you feel these Twitter handles create an impression in the public
that journalists are 'presstitutes', and fuels intolerance against the
Muslim community?

Of course! They create an atmosphere of bigotry and anti-Muslim venom
that incites communal incidents.

The fake cow slaughter videos... what about Malda (riots)? All these
things that they have done has been documented in my book. All of this
is designed.

My fear is that they are creating the hate online and mainstreaming
it, eventually translating into offline riots.

Every woman who is liberal is attacked.

Every journalist is attacked.

They have a hit-list.

How can a ruling party and a minister in the ruling party use the word
'presstitutes'?

We are still a democracy and the media is non-negotiable in democracy.

You have to live with the media.

The way the media is being targeted and trolled by the BJP is scary.

But they are not taking the law into their hands... they have not
beaten up anyone so far, one may argue.

They have... a person named Tajinder Singh Pal Bagga, who is followed
by the prime minister on Twitter, went to (lawyer) Prashant Bhushan's
chamber and beat him up.

The prime minister held a meet-and-greet at his official residence for
all these trolls. They call them their yodhas (warriors).

That is the mindset we are dealing with.

Again and again, I am emphasising that I do not want to get into a
tu-tu main-main (argument) with Arvind Gupta.

He cannot resort to personal slander and abuse.

Why is he not answering the fact which I have raised in the book?

Did he send that WhatsApp on Aamir Khan or not?

Did he send that awful thing about Aamir being a Muslim to Sadhavi Khosla?

... but he denies that Sadhavi Khosla worked with him.

I have those WhatsApp forwards. He cannot deny. It is documented.

Where did she work from? Which BJP office?

She was a social media volunteer. They work on WhatsApp.

She went to meet him (Gupta) at the BJP's Ashoka Road headquarters and
it is described in the book. She did not take any money.

Why did she not file a complaint if she was upset about these hateful trolls?

She raised this with (BJP General Secretary) Ram Madhav on Google
Hangout. I have video proof of it.

I have hundreds of screenshots which Mr Gupta shared with her. I have
pictures with the chai pe charcha she organised.

I have pictures of her campaigning with Kiron Kher and Smriti Irani in Gurgaon.

Do you feel the prime minister should unfollow these abusive Twitter handles?

Which leader in the world follows people who make rape threat to their rivals?

Which prime minister in the world follows people who give death
threats routinely?

It is shocking. There is no other world leader who does it.

Why is no action taken against those who issue rape threats to women online?

Nothing happens because it has got State support.

All these people who abuse and give rape threats are members of the
ruling party.

We have all the laws in place.

America is a beacon of free speech laws, but hundreds of arrests are
made every year on social media when people incite communal incidents
or post rape or death threats.

Do you feel a strong message will be sent against such people if one
of them is arrested?

Clearly! Tell me, why does the prime minister of India follow trolls?

When you ask this question to him, he keeps silent. Is that what he
should be doing?

How do you feel when people call you a Congress supporter?

I find that ridiculous. I have always been against the party that is in power.

I have written a column a week ago that Rahul Gandhi is a monumental
disaster and that he must retire.

The argument that I am a Congress supporter is a joke.

We may be living in a post-truth world, but calling me a Congress
sympathiser is ridiculous.

They call you all names, 'sickular' and 'presstitutes'. It is awful.
Is this how they want the debate to stoop?

What image are we showing to the world?

You are harassing people who have a counter viewpoint.

Syed Firdaus Ashraf / Rediff.com

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