On 9/22/14 10:45 AM, Александр Селютин wrote:
Thanks to everyone
I have idea that I can stop simulation, change topology(move end of
molecule, add new atoms) and start again. It should be repeated every 2 ps.
But it can be very slowly. Does anybody know how to do it more correctly?


I don't know that there is a good solution. What you've outlined also doesn't seem very reliable, because you're causing serious perturbations to the system every 2 ps, so the outcome of the previous simulation is basically lost because you have changed the coordinates and perturbed the solvent around the polymer. So you basically have a certain number of unequilibrated polymer systems of varying size. It doesn't help you to determine much of anything.

MD is great for simulating nonbonded aggregation/assembly, but it is not trivial to do something involving covalent bonds in classical MD.

-Justin

2014-09-18 20:03 GMT+07:00 Tamas Karpati <tkarp...@gmail.com>:

Dear Alexander,

As Vitaly has already suggested, it is possible to simulate growth.
I'd, on the other hand, underline what Micholas has said.
It may take some planning. Here are a few ideas how to do it.

1. If you are simulating cleaving/forming bonds, the topology would change
which is difficult for normal MD runs. If, however, running just few steps
(or probably a single step) MD job and analysing/regenerating the topology
after each such step (by your specific scripts) you may be fine.
It can take some coding.

2. You can still go on by replacing explicite bonds by Morse
or LJ potentials (or using any tabled ones). Although such model can
be poor in describing the underlying chemistry a good fitting of
Morse/LJ/etc.
can give you an acceptable rate for the polymerisation. This way bonds
could be described by formally non-bonding interactions and the whole
system is modelled as an interacting set of individual single atom ions.
A complete replacement of all the bonds by non-bonding interaction
potentials will give you a bond-less and angle-less etc. TOP file.
It can be done in parts, too, in which case just some kinds of bonds
(those that cleave or form) would be replaced. It may take lots of
preparation but I think its viable.

3. Sorry, I know nothing about special force fields created for sims of
reactions. Probably those would be your tools.

HTH,
   toma


On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Smith, Micholas D. <smit...@ornl.gov>
wrote:
I should clarify, If you are not concerned with the formation of
covalent bonds, you can simulate growth, to some extent. Protein
aggregation, for instance, can be studied with MD because of this; so if
you are only interested in the early assembly, and not with electronic
structure/covalent bonding, than you are ok. I had interpreted your
question to be related to bonding, not just early assembly/aggregation.

As far as adding units at a given time, I don't think gromacs can do
that, as it would require your topology to change while the simulation was
running (i.e. adding more molecules to your system while it is running).
Now you could run multiple simulations of the polyethylene chain at
different lengths with a single unit free in solution, and watch how the
chain increases, but I don't think you could run a single simulation where
you added monomer units on the fly.

-Micholas
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Why not? Your interaction potential is responsible for everything.



Dr. Vitaly V. Chaban

Виталий Витальевич ЧАБАН


On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Александр Селютин <saga1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Can the gromacs simulate the growth of the molecule?
For example, does it allow to add units to the polymer chain at certain
times?
More specifically, it is the increase the chain length of the
polyethylene.

Thanks!
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