Hey Nick,

First, I'm very sorry for the absurd delay in addressing these comments, but 
thank you very much for them.  I've incorporated most of them and will be 
pushing a new version soon.

Eric

On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Nick Hilliard <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 04/09/2012 20:17, Danny McPherson wrote:
>> FYI, may be able to find a home here in grow if folks are interested.
>> Encourage feedback from all...
> 
> Danny,
> 
> regarding section #4, "Accuracy and Integrity of Data", you've missed the
> most important part of all - the tie between the resource and the end user.
> If this cannot be verified, then certification of any form is basically
> pointless because you're only certifying the assertions that the creator /
> maintainer of the resource object.
> 
> The RIPE community dealt with this by putting in a foundation policy
> (policy 2007-01, written by yours truly), which requires a contractual link
> between the RIPE NCC and the end user in direct assignment + asn assignment
> cases which weren't previously covered by LIR contracts for address
> allocations.  There were a couple of intentions with this policy:
> 
> 1. there was an encumbrance placed in the policy for the LIR to charge the
> end-user for provider independent resources.  This action creates a natural
> garbage collection mechanism for PI address resources (v4 / v6 space, asns).
> 
> 2. it guaranteed that all RIPE NCC allocated/assigned space would be
> subject to a contractual link, and that this contractual chain might end up
> actually meaning something when it came to the issue of who made what claim
> about what number resource.
> 
> 3. it would tie into the RIPE NCC's object grandfathering policy which ties
> the registration details of the end-user to the object registered in the
> irr database.
> 
> So unless you have similar chain-of-ownership functionality in other
> IRRDBs, the whole discussion about certification and pretty much everything
> else related is moot.
> 
> In section 7.3, I would view it as useful to note that SIDR does not
> currently include bgp as-path validation, and that this is a Difficult 
> Problem.
> 
> I think your draft has merit (no pun intended).  I'd like to see it
> developed further because it provides a lot of important background
> information on where we stand at the moment, and it's difficult to move
> forward unless we have a clear idea we are.
> 
> nit: "ISP's" should be "ISPs" in the case where you are talking about
> multiple ISPs.
> 
> Nick
> 
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