Wes,

Thank you again for all your detailed comments and recommendations. Please give 
us a few days to take a careful look at them and come back with an answer.


Regards,


Camilo Cardona

On 10 Oct 2014, at 19:43, George, Wes <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've done another review pass.
> Most of my previous comments have been addressed, and the document has
> improved a lot, but there are a couple of things still outstanding, as
> well as a few new comments. I think they need to be addressed before this
> proceeds to IESG, especially since the document won't even pass a NITS
> check right now (click NITS on the upper right of the HTML version of the
> document to see them).
> 
> May want to consider the terminology with relation to SIDR's definitions
> of covered prefixes. Right now it conflicts and can be potentially
> confusing, so you might want to use a different term. (see RFC 6907)
> 
> I don't understand why this is titled "making BGP filtering a habit" as it
> is really discussing problems with BGP filtering, rather than advocating
> doing it.
> 
> 2.1 filtering can also be due to hardware limitations (the hardware is not
> capable of a full DFZ table). Basically "I don't care about other
> networks' TE deaggregation, I can't carry all of that fluff, so I'm going
> to filter deaggregates because other networks having to deal with some
> unwanted traffic shifts is better than my routers all falling over due to
> routing table bloat"
> 
> 3.1 - may want to specifically mention BGP anomaly detection tools, i.e.
> tools that monitor the BGP table via one or more looking glasses, and
> alert when a significant change is detected. While these won't detect
> constant/consistent prefix filtering, they should detect new instances
> since they'll look different from previous snapshots.
> 
> 4.1 "stop announcing covering prefix" - add text to warn of the need to
> make sure that there are other subnet prefixes that cover the rest of the
> covering prefix. your examples use /32 and /34. If you remove the /32, you
> need to add additional announcements to make sure that there is still
> reachability to the rest of the /32 (the other 3 /34s) that is not
> included in the more specific /34. Have to consider whether this is
> already permitted through the upstream BGP filters or may cause the
> opposite effect of providing a more specific route for those other
> prefixes now instead
> 
>      "In this case, not all traffic
>      heading to the prefix 2001:DB8::/32 from AS64501 would no longer
>      traverse AS64502. "
> I'm having trouble parsing the meaning of this sentence. What does "not
> all traffic" mean in this case? Some still does? Also may be cleaner to
> say "would traverse a different ASN" (instead of "would no longer
> traverse...")
> 
> 4.2.1 "configure its routers to install dynamically an access-list..." --
> how? Feature name? Is this commonly supported, or specific to a set of
> vendors?
> Dynamically implies that this is done automatically via some sort of
> background process in the router, rather than based on a manual, but
> changing configuration, so it may just be that you need to clarify that
> this is done manually but may change frequently.
> 
> references are still not standard to IETF format, and the distinction
> between URI and references with overlapping footnote numbers is
> potentially confusing. use another I-D as a guideline, or see p 14-15 of
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-style-guide/rfc-style
> Reference [3] no longer seems to be referenced in the text at all, and
> your references to [2] and [4] in the text would be more useful if they
> discussed the link between the proposed solution and the referenced paper
> in more detail. Right now the link between the two is not clear even after
> reviewing the reference. It may be that there is another draft needed to
> discuss the application of the referenced solution to this problem rather
> than covering it here, but either way, simply providing the reference with
> no additional discussion isn’t enough.
> 
> I see that the security considerations section has been added, but it's
> still pretty thin. It may be appropriate to reference the route leaks
> draft as a somewhat related type of routing security discussion, and at a
> minimum you need to be explicit in this section that there are really no
> existing or proposed tools to protect against that sort of behavior since
> filtering policy is mostly of local significance.
> 
> 
> Nits:
> %s/economical/economic
> 4 - may want to use "proactive" instead of anticipant, since that's a more
> common antonym for reactive
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wes
> 
> 
> 
> From:  Peter Schoenmaker <[email protected]>
> Date:  Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 8:57 AM
> To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject:  [GROW] WGLC draft-ietf-grow-filtering-threats-03
> 
> 
> Hello group:
> 
> I would like to initiate a working group last call on
> draft-ietf-grow-filtering-threats-03.  Between the last last call and now
> we received feedback on the draft and the authors have updated the draft.
> 
> Please review the draft and voice your opinion as to yea or nay on this
> draft.  WGLC will end 17th October 2014.
> 
> Abstract
> 
>   This document describes how unexpected traffic flows can emerge
>   across an autonomous system, as the result of other autonomous
>   systems filtering, or restricting the propagation of overlapping
>   prefixes.  We provide a review of the techniques to detect the
>   occurrence of this issue and defend against it.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
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