>> tls will satisfy usability, presence in shipping code and likelihood of
>> deployment.  It comes at the cost of either using a different port number
>> or else adding startls into the protocol.  It's understandable why there
>> would be opposition to implementing this at revision -16 and with code
>> widely deployed in the field.  But from the point of view of the question
>> "where do we want to be a couple of years down the road from now?", it's a
>> pile better than ipsec from an operations point of view.
> 
> Just in case it's not clear, I very much agree with the above.

nick is much more eloquent than i.

randy

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