Adding [email protected] for reality check.

On 13 Jan 2017, 21:19 +0100, Carlos M. Martinez <[email protected]>, wrote:
>
> We agree to disagree then. I strongly believe the Internet strives to 
> delegate decision making and doesn’t like hierarchies very much.
>
>
> I’d prefer these decisions to be delegated as far away from the network´s 
> core as possible.
>
>
> -Carlos
>
>
> On 13 Jan 2017, at 17:13, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > I am advocating a strong security posture, in which each ASN takes their 
> > responsibility to the best of their abilities in maintaining a healthy 
> > global routing system. KNOWINGLY distributing routes which are considered 
> > Invalid is the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > If an ASN (read Route Server) doesn't want to participate in keeping the 
> > routing system clean, they should perhaps consider ceasing their BGP 
> > operations, but certainly not hide under the guise of "offering customers 
> > all options".
> >
> > An autonomous system is an autonomous system. IXP operators do not get a 
> > free pass to propagate garbage, the same garbage we expect the rest of the 
> > operators to reject.
> >
> > This draft promotes an insecure mode of operation.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Job
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2017, 20:57 +0100, Carlos M. Martinez <[email protected]>, 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Job,
> > >
> > > I believe what what you propose would be deciding on behalf of people
> > > who are not your customers and with whom you only have a loose
> > > relationship based on sharing something. I don´t think a route server
> > > should in fact drop invalid routes when re-announcing them to the other
> > > peers.
> > >
> > > I understand that this could be different depending on the arrangements
> > > among members of the IXP, but, I like to have the option for marking
> > > open.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > -Carlos
> > >
> > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 15:40, Job Snijders wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I have trouble with the idea proposed in this draft. It reads to me
> > > > "When the route server receives a hijacked prefix, it will decorate it
> > > > with an extended community and propagate it to all its peers".
> > > >
> > > > This is not a responsible thing to do. Route Server operators should
> > > > configure there route servers to reject/drop/ignore 'RPKI invalid'
> > > > announcements, and thats should be the end of it.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Job
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:28:24AM -0800, [email protected]
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > > > > directories.
> > > > > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations of the IETF.
> > > > >
> > > > > Title : Signaling Prefix Origin Validation Results
> > > > > from a Route-Server to Peers
> > > > > Authors : Thomas King
> > > > > Daniel Kopp
> > > > > Aristidis Lambrianidis
> > > > > Arnaud Fenioux
> > > > > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-route-server-rpki-light-00.txt
> > > > > Pages : 6
> > > > > Date : 2017-01-13
> > > > >
> > > > > Abstract:
> > > > > This document defines the usage of the BGP Prefix Origin
> > > > > Validation
> > > > > State Extended Community
> > > > > [I-D.ietf-sidr-origin-validation-signaling]
> > > > > to signal prefix origin validation results from a route-server to
> > > > > its
> > > > > peers. Upon reception of prefix origin validation results peers
> > > > > can
> > > > > use this information in their local routing decision process.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-route-server-rpki-light/
> > > > >
> > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-route-server-rpki-light-00
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > > > > submission
> > > > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> > > > >
> > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> > > > >
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