Hi Greg, working group,

I agree with your analysis. I'm in support of a "By default, reject ALL
AFI/SAFI on EBGP sessions"-style (option 2 in your overview).

>From a deployment perspective I see most value in protecting the EBGP
boundaries with sensible default (reject), and can see advantages to
having a more promiscuous IBGP default (which I'd be happy to consider
out of scope for this document).

This draft came into existence because of concerns with regard to the
BGP Default-free Zone, which implicitly means that the default for EBGP
sessions was what we intended to improve upon.

Kind regards,

Job

On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 06:54:54PM -0500, Greg Hankins wrote:
> I'd like to restart the discussion so that we can move forward on this I-D.
> 
> This draft IMHO is about EBGP only, so 3. does not make sense, as IBGP
> policies are inherently different than EBGP policies.
> 
> We worded the draft specifically to apply to IPv4/IPv6 unicast AFI/SAFI
> for EBGP, as most implementations (or at least the ones I'm familiar with),
> already restrict other families.
> 
> However, rewording the text to cover all AFI/SAFI for EBGP would cover
> all cases and clarify if certain implementations did allow other families.
> If I were running EBGP between my own ASs, then I would want the strictest
> defaults possible.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -- 
> Greg Hankins <[email protected]>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:42:19 -0500
> From: Jon Mitchell <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [GROW] I-D Action: draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-02.txt
> 
> On 31/10/16 02:24 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >         Title           : Default IPv4 and IPv6 Unicast EBGP Route 
> > Propagation Behavior Without Policies
> 
> To hopefully increase the speed to allow operators to ask for this
> behavior from their vendors, starting the thread on one of the points
> still open from the presentation today:
> 
> 1.  Current draft - IPv4/IPv6 unicast AFI/SAFI EBGP only
> 2.  All AFI/SAFI - EBGP only
> 3.  All AFI/SAFI - IBGP/EBGP
> 
> I think #1 makes sense as it's limited to global Internet table
> protection.  I also think it would be useful to protect our internal
> networks from errors with #3.  However since internal networks often use
> eBGP (see large-scale DC, seamless MPLS, inter-as Option-C), I think it
> would be a bit odd to cover all AFI/SAFI for EBGP only as it now covers
> some internal network applications as well (widening the requirements of
> what the draft is trying to achieve) w/o fulfilling protecting them
> fully by covering IBGP.
> 
> -Jon
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