Hi Michel,

Thank you for your valuable information!
Per the experience of RFC 7999, maybe it is better to use 65535:888 to 
implement the function of ASN:888?

Regards,
Shunwan

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Py [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:28 AM
To: Zhuangshunwan <[email protected]>; Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) 
<[email protected]>
Cc: IDR <[email protected]>; GROW WG <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: some questions from {RC, LC, EC} analysis presentation in GROW

> Zhuangshunwan wrote :
> then if other communities "ASN:666" are widespread in the wild

They are.

I am the operator of one of the largest ASN:666 BGP blacklist feeds; in the 
past, I have opposed the standardization of ASN:666 because the text was too 
vague.
Long story made short : there is not enough separation between source-based BGP 
backlists and destination-based ones.

As of now, it appears to me that destination-based ASN:666 communities are 
becoming a de-facto standard; which means that my own source-based ASN:666 BGP 
feed needs to adopt another community.

I suggest that, if some standardization effort is to take place again, the 
ASN:666 scheme is used for destination-based BGP blacklist feeds, and that the 
ASN:888 scheme is used for source-based BGP backlist feeds.
In there, I am happy to follow the lead of Team Cymru in their bogon BGP feed, 
which is the origin of all BGP blacklist feeds.
https://team-cymru.com/community-services/bogon-reference/bogon-reference-bgp/

In other words : the :666 community shall be used when one wants to backlist 
one's own prefixes (possibly a /32), a destination-based backlist. While the 
:888 community shall be used when one wants to blacklist an IP address by the 
source, which means a high level of trust in the feed, as any contributor to 
said feed has potentially the ability to blacklist a source IP.

Respectfully submitted.

Michel.

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