Hi Saumya,

I have a question regarding the following point you raised:
Section 4 says "In Stats messages, counts MUST reflect the filtered RIB numbers 
and not the original RIB ones," but it stops short of stating that the F flag 
itself be set consistently in the Stats message's Peer Header for that same 
session.

To make sure I'm following correctly, let me walk through a quick scenario:
Suppose Peer 1 (a BMP client) receives two types of routes from its neighbor, 
tagged with Community 1 and Community 2 respectively. There are N1 routes with 
Community 1 and N2 routes with Community 2.

Now, suppose Peer 1 applies an outbound filtering policy, sending only the N1 
routes (tagged with Community 1) to the BMP server via Route Monitoring (RM) 
Adj-RIB-In messages. Naturally, these BMP RM messages will have the F Flag set.

According to Section 4, for Stats messages, "counts MUST reflect the filtered 
RIB numbers and not the original RIB ones." This means Peer 1 should report a 
count of N1 to the BMP server via Stat Type 7 (Number of routes in Adj-RIBs-In).

My question is: Does this mean the BMP server no longer needs to know the 
total/original count (N1 + N2) present in Peer 1's actual Adj-RIB-In?
Or is there a scenario where the server still needs visibility into the 
unfiltered baseline? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Best regards,
Shunwan


From: Dikshit, Saumya <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2026 6:24 PM
To: Srivastava, Mukul <[email protected]>; gengnan 
<[email protected]>; Reshad Rahman <[email protected]>
Cc: Grow <[email protected]>
Subject: [GROW] Re: Question on draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement


Hi Mukul,

That's a helpful clarification, thank you.

It's good to be reminded that F flag lives in the shared Peer Header rather 
than being RM-specific, so it's structurally available to Stats messages too.



Looking at the current adj-ribs-filtered-00 text again with that in mind, I 
think it actually pins down exactly the gap:

· Section 4 says "In Stats messages, counts MUST reflect the filtered RIB 
numbers and not the original RIB ones," but it stops short of stating that the 
F flag itself be set consistently in the Stats message's Peer Header for that 
same session.
· So as written, an implementation could arguably satisfy the letter of the 
text by adjusting the counts while leaving F unset (or inconsistent) on the 
Stats side
o  This is exactly the inconsistency you flagged as unhelpful for correlation.



Would it make sense to tighten this into an explicit MUST, something like:

· "The Peer F Flag MUST be set consistently across all BMP message types that 
share this Peer Header for the lifetime of the session (Route Monitoring, Stats 
Report, Route Mirroring).
· An implementation MUST NOT report F=1 in one message type while reporting F=0 
(or omitting the equivalent filtered-count adjustment) in another, for the same 
peer."

Since you're already a co-author on adj-ribs-filtered, that 
operational-consideration addition (Section 5, or as a normative bullet in 
Section 4) seems like the cleanest, lowest-overhead fix and no new TLV needed 
for the RIB/Stats side at all.



That said, it doesn't fully close Reshad/Nan's original question: 
adj-ribs-filtered-00 only talks about Adj-RIB-In/Out and Stats messages and 
says nothing about routing-event messages 
(draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement's actual subject). On that note, would it 
make sense for rel-enhancement to explicitly say event messages reuse this same 
Peer F Flag bit (with the same cross-message consistency rule above), rather 
than defining a separate mechanism?
· That would give collectors one consistent signal to check across RM, Stats, 
and event messages, with a single small text addition on each side rather than 
a new generic flag.



Your thoughts Nan, Reshad, Mukul on this ?

Happy to help draft the exact text for either document if useful.



Thanks,
Saumya

From: Srivastava, Mukul 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Saturday, 25 July 2026 at 8:50 PM
To: Dikshit, Saumya <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
gengnan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Reshad Rahman 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Grow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [GROW] Re: Question on draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement

Hello Saumya

>>>>>> If a router locally rate-limits or drops events (per the mitigation text 
>>>>>> in draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement) and separately reports gauges 
>>>>>> such as the ones in

  *   draft-ietf-grow-bmp-bgp-rib-stats (RFC 9972) or

  *   the policy-driven counters in draft-smc-grow-bmp-route-change-stats,
a collector has no way to know that an observed gauge delta might not be fully 
explained by the event stream it received it may look like an unexplained jump.

—

[MS] - The BMP stats messages have BMP peer header. The filter flag is part of 
the BMP peer header.  If the  filter flag is not set in stats message, while 
the other msg had filter flag set, then the collector should use caution and 
know that the data it received was filtered while the stats count is not 
filtered.

I would assume for ideal operation, the router should have flag set/unset for 
all events/data/stats message for a session. Inconsistency in this flag state 
between different messages, will not help in meaningful correlation at 
collector.

I think we should add this in the operational consideration for filtered 
drafts, if it isn’t present already.

Thanks
Mukul

From: Dikshit, Saumya 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2026 at 2:37 AM
To: gengnan 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>;
 Reshad Rahman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Grow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [GROW] Re: Question on draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement
Hi Nan, Reshad,

I was going through the draft and couldn’t help bringing up another angle, 
(though not-unrelated) to the email chain discussion :

The same blind spot effects statistics consumers, not just event-log consumers. 
If a router locally rate-limits or drops events (per the mitigation text in 
draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement) and separately reports gauges such as the 
ones in

  *   draft-ietf-grow-bmp-bgp-rib-stats (RFC 9972) or

  *   the policy-driven counters in draft-smc-grow-bmp-route-change-stats,
a collector has no way to know that an observed gauge delta might not be fully 
explained by the event stream it received it may look like an unexplained jump.

Rather than defining filtering-indication independently for events (in this 
draft) and for RIB streams (bmp-adj-ribs-filtered), would it make sense to 
define one small, generic TLV/flag,  that any BMP consumer event, RM, or SR 
message can check?  This would definitely help in achieving "telemetry 
completeness"

More than happy and willing to sketch this as a short  contribution if there's 
appetite, as we hit a related need while defining the per-peer gauges in 
draft-smc-grow-bmp-route-change-stats.

Thanks,
Saumya.

From: gengnan 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, 23 July 2026 at 3:39 PM
To: Reshad Rahman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Grow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [GROW] Re: Question on draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement
Hi Reshad,

As stated in Section 3 of draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered:
> ... be informative to the rest of the system that they should not make 
> decisions assuming that this stream is transmitting all the information about 
> it.

The same logic seems to apply to event reporting. If critical events are 
filtered locally without any signal to the collector, monitoring systems may 
draw incorrect conclusions based on incomplete data. It would therefore be 
valuable to consider a mechanism to convey this filtering state for events.

Best,
Nan

From: Reshad Rahman 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2026 1:43 AM
To: Grow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [GROW] Question on draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement

Hi,


   Appropriate caution SHOULD be taken when picking routing events to

   report, as next-hop related updates may produce heavy message loads

   during network instability.  Mitigation measures SHOULD be deployed

   on both reporting and receiving sides.  For example, local endpoints

   can apply event filtering controls, while receivers maintain

   corresponding processing mechanisms to handle potential high-volume

   event bursts gracefully.



During the meeting today the text above was highlighted by Nan (based on 
feedback from Prasad). I have no issue with the feedback and text, but is there 
any indication of filtering sent to the collector? 
draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-ribs-filtered which was presented earlier adds a Peer F 
flag for Adj-Rib-In/Out, IIUC that doesn't cover events in 
draft-geng-grow-bmp-rel-enhancement? IMO we want indication of filtering for 
"critical" events.



Regards,

Reshad.
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