On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:26:21 PM UTC-4, Nathaniel Manista 
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:05 AM, JI Ioannidis <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering why Python support in grpc is so poor? It has not improved 
>> in the last 4-5 months that I've been working with it.
>>
>
> With what version(s) have you been working during this time period? We 
> expect that you would have seen dramatic performance and stability 
> improvements between 0.14 and 0.15. Other improvements are Python 3.4 
> support, MacOS and Windows support, and more robust install with pip 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pip_(package_manager)>. Those were a big 
> deal to us, but help us understand more about your use case and how they 
> went by unnoticed?
>

I always track HEAD; I'm now at 6e51f992c6bfdfba61d984ab173305da455bd2e7 

>
> The documentation is nothing but the doc strings from the source, the 
>> examples are trivial,
>>
>
> We agree about the triviality of the examples 
> <https://github.com/grpc/grpc.github.io/issues/368>, but so far as I'm 
> aware the Python examples go to the same level of depth as the examples in 
> the other languages. Are you seeing other examples for other languages with 
> richer subject matter that aren't mirrored for Python?
>
>
Now that you mention it, no, none of the other languages have examples for 
authentication either. 
 

> there is no discussion on how to do elementary things such as 
>> authentication.
>>
>
> How about here <http://www.grpc.io/docs/guides/auth.html#python>?
>

That just shows how to use SSL, and it's how I got to here: 
https://github.com/jayeye/grpc/tree/ji/secure-hello/examples/python/helloworld 
 

The Google oauth example is not helpful for any other kind of 
authentication, for example, for authenticating the client based on its ssl 
credentials (which as I recall from a previous thread I started cannot be 
done).

Then there are all the various grpc.beta.* classes that hint at what may be 
possible; are these "beta" as in "not ready for prime time, use at your own 
risk", or is there some other meaning to "beta"?

>
> I'm basically going on what I remember from my Google days, but that's 
>> already three years old.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind switching to C++, except that our code does a lot of AWS 
>> API calls, and their support for C++ is not where it should be. I really 
>> don't want to use java, and we don't have enough people who know go to 
>> switch the codebase to go. 
>>
>> Advice?
>>
>
> Please keep the criticism coming. Issue reports 
> <https://github.com/grpc/grpc/issues/new> are very helpful for us, 
> particularly in learning where are expectations of developer-user 
> experience are not congruent with actual developer-user experience. We 
> can file issues all day about what we think is missing in gRPC Python and 
> still be in the dark about what you think is missing in it 
> <http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/rumsfelds-knowns-and-unknowns-the-intellectual-history-of-a-quip/359719/>
> .
> -Nathaniel
>

Gotcha. Expect some in the coming days; hopefully they won't be mark WAIWNF 
:)

Cheers,

/ji 

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