Hi, My main point is that design needs to primarily be done by designers, not users. That's all :)
Meg On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Radina Matic <[email protected]> wrote: > I must admit I've never heard of "design by consensus", had to google it, > learned something new (thanks, Meg! :) but I fail to see how it applies > here... Here we are, mostly no native English speakers, trying to figure out > the best expression for a GTG feature in English. > > Anyway, I didn't suggest that we let the users decide anything, but we > certainly need a bigger pool of opinions to solve this issue. The poll > suggestion was the first thing that came to my mind as a reply to Bertrand's > comment that "Users formulate their need in their own way, we have to > identify those and try to use them." > > So, how do we identify the user's needs without taking on their opinion in > some form? > > R. > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 09:38, Bertrand Rousseau > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:30 AM, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> > When I was looking at usability, one thing that struck me about workview >> > was >> > that tasks scheduled for other days days automagically disappear from >> > it. >> > IMO the user should somehow be informed of that by the name of the view, >> > otherwise it's disconcerting. >> >> Could you please file a bug about this? >> >> > I think it's bad practice to design by consensus, though, so personally >> > I >> > wouldn't ask users to decide. >> >> I agree. >> >> > Meg >> > >> > On Monday, April 2, 2012, Radina Matic wrote: >> >> >> >> Meg seems to be the only native English speaker among us... >> >> >> >> How about we launch a poll at GTG blog and ask the users what do they >> >> prefer? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Radina >> >> >> >> PS: Apart from this legal connotation, for me personally "actionable" >> >> is a >> >> mouthful, like having to chew on an oversized gum... :P >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 22:27, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> "Actionable" is used in the book as an adjective ("Is it actionable?" >> >>> p. 51 of the 2001 English edition), but as a title, you would be >> >>> implying that it was a noun, which it is not. The primary meaning of >> >>> the adjective is the legal meaning >> >>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actionable. Is there any >> >>> place you see it used in the book as a noun? I see "Next Actions", and >> >>> "actionable tasks" (as Bertrand mentioned) but not "Actionable". Also, >> >>> "actionable tasks" is never used as a category or header in the book, >> >>> perhaps because of the ambiguity surrounding this use of the English >> >>> term. >> >>> >> >>> Meg >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bertrand Rousseau >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > 2012/4/1 meg ford <[email protected]>: >> >>> >> The primary definition of "Actionable" in English a legal term >> >>> >> meaning that >> >>> >> you can get sued/criminally tried for doing what you are doing, >> >>> >> though >> >>> >> :) >> >>> > >> >>> > Well, we sure don't want to imply that our users perform tasks for >> >>> > which they may be sued. ;-) >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm not an English native speaker, so as far as I am concerned, my >> >>> > first encounter with the word "actionable" was through GTD and task >> >>> > management. Could you (and anyone who knows) tell us if using this >> >>> > term is misleading? >> >>> > >> >>> >> The timeline approach to simplifying complex tasks is outlined by >> >>> >> Brett >> >>> >> Victor in this article (http://worrydream.com/#!/MagicInk). >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Meg >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 2012/4/1 Izidor Matušov <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Am 01.04.2012 06:15, schrieb meg ford: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Also, on the subject of subtasks, do you think it would be >> >>> >>>> interesting >> >>> >>>> to have a "Timeline" view where users could add and view subtasks >> >>> >>>> as >> >>> >>>> connected to specific tasks? Rather than defining them as a >> >>> >>>> "thing", >> >>> >>>> we >> >>> >>>> could organize a larger task as consisting of smaller tasks, and >> >>> >>>> combine >> >>> >>>> it with the calendar function (so users would be adding and >> >>> >>>> editing >> >>> >>>> subtasks, maybe by drag and drop) along a line that contained the >> >>> >>>> main >> >>> >>>> task, and wouldn't have to use separate actions to define when, >> >>> >>>> etc. >> >>> >>>> I'm >> >>> >>>> not sure how to accomplish this in GTK, but I think it would be >> >>> >>>> nice >> >>> >>>> to >> >>> >>>> allow the user to define many aspects of their tasks simply, >> >>> >>>> treating >> >>> >>>> each task as an object rather something which is defined through >> >>> >>>> a >> >>> >>>> complicated series of actions via drop-down menus, pop-up >> >>> >>>> windows, >> >>> >>>> etc. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> There is a bug/feature request for that: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtg/+bug/495475 >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> We need somebody who designs and implements that ;) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Can these actions be called "To Do"? That would go along with >> >>> >>>> the >> >>> >>>> name (To Do and Task Manager), and the HIG says that strings >> >>> >>>> should >> >>> >>>> be as short as possible. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I am against calling them "To Do". Every active task is "To Do" >> >>> >>> but >> >>> >>> we >> >>> >>> want to say that you can do it right now. In my opinion, we should >> >>> >>> stick to >> >>> >>> "Actionable" from GTD or "Next Action" from other ToDo managers. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Bertrand Rousseau >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~gtg-contributors >> >>> Post to : [email protected] >> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~gtg-contributors >> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Bertrand Rousseau > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~gtg-contributors Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~gtg-contributors More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
