On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Lionel Dricot<[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> first of all, thanks for this awesome piece of software that fits best >> into my workflow. >> However, right now there are two things that would improve the >> experience even more (at least for me) and for which I haven't found >> anything on the bug tracker. > > Hi, > > Thanks for your time. We really appreciate feedback and any ideas that > might improve GTG. > >> >> 1. Subtasks shown in the work view should also indicate the parent task. >> >> When creating subtasks, I usually prepend a short name of the parent >> task, something like "[parent task]". This helps to keep track of the >> parents in the work view, but is annoying to enter if a lot of subtasks >> exist. >> It would be great, if there was a possibility of giving a short name for >> a task (maybe in the form abbrv:shortname or so) that would than appear >> in each subtask entry in the work view list. > > > This is higly related to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gtg/+bug/316922 > > Your idea is good but it raises some questions : what when a task is the > child of a child? How to make that easy and intuitive in the UI? > > If you have some ideas, it would help a lot to have some mockups and > description of related workflows. > >> >> 2. Sequential tasks >> >> Currently, I see no way of creating subtasks that are dependent on each >> other, like, for example, do A -> do B -> do C. The problems are (in my >> point of view): >> - in the standard view, subtasks are sorted by the order they were >> created and have to be reordered by drag&drop, which is cumbersome. >> - in the work view, no sorting method is appropriate >> - in the work view, all subtasks are shown, although only one task >> has to be performed before we can jump to the next one. It's not needed >> to show "do C" if "do B" has not been completed. >> One could allow for sequential tasks by providing an enumerated list in >> the task edit view. This would fix the order in the standard view even >> after editing. In the work view, one could only give the next not yet >> completed subtask, indicating how many further tasks are left to >> complete the parent task (by, for example, appending a string of the >> form "(x more)") > > This is a very complicated problem and we are facing it since the earliest > mockup of GTG. > > Firstly, you have to understand that you can do it : A will be a child of > B and B will be a child of C. There cannot be any "order" in the workview > because, by definition, the workview shows you all tasks that you can do > *right now*. > > If you inputed A and B as children of C, it implies that you can do A > without doing B and vice-versa. You cannot break that because that's the > base of GTG itself. > > The problem is in fact not there. The problem is that, when you enter a > list of subtasks, you *sometimes* enter a list of ordered tasks and > *sometimes* not. > > Example : > Task "changing the light bulb" : > - Taking out the old ligtbulb to see the model > - Going to the store and buying the same model > - Putting the new lightbulb in > > Task "be ready for the party" : > - Cleaning the whole appartement > - Installing the sono and choosing the music > - Borrowing lights > - Buying cakes and drinks > > > As you can see, one task is sequential, the other is not. But there's no > way to know if the task is sequential or not. Worst : the same task could > contain sequential and non-sequential items! > > > A few months ago, I did a gtg branch that had this feature when you could > indicate sequential subtask with a tabulation. So it would be : > > Changing the light bulb: > - Taking out the old ligtbulb to see the model > ____- Going to the store and buying the same model > ________- Putting the new lightbulb in > > After two weeks of crazy work, I realized that it was simply unusable. > Firstly, it would make the Task Editor a lot more complicated and with > imprevisible (at least non-intuitive) behaviour. > > But, worst of all, I realized that, in the task browser, the order is > inverted!!!! It's like : > Changing the light bulb > +- Putting the new lightbulb in > +++- Going to the store and buying the same model > +++++- Taking out the old ligtbulb to see the model > > > So, pointing out the problem is easy. We all did. Finding and implementing > a solution is not. In this particular case, we deliberately choosed to > *NOT* provide a good solution because every solution we can think of was > worst than the actual solution. So if you have a solution, please share it > with us but take the time to really describe the solution with all the > details for yourself before. I'm sure you will quickly understand why it > is so difficult ;-) Once you don't see any remaining problem, share that > with us :-D > > I repeat : actually, you *can* do it in GTG. It's just cumbersome because > you have to open every task to type the subtask in it. But it's possible.
This is related to this bug also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtg/+bug/345575 If I remeber well, ploum also posted a mail in the mailing-list about that issue. My guess is that there are two manners of expressing dependancies: through a sequence or through a priority. Actually GTG allows to express dependancies by priority by allowing to insert subtasks. I think we should enable support for ordered tasks (sequence of tasks) as well in the future. That could take the form of a numbered list in the editor for instance. >> >> Unfortunately, I'm not very experienced in python and haven't studied >> gtg's sources yet. If there are simple tasks, I'd be glad to learn and >> help! > > Well, as you can see, a lot of time is spend thinking about the interface > and doesn't requires any code. > > Thanks for your nice word and for your proposition to help! > > Lionel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~gtg-user > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~gtg-user > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Bertrand Rousseau Place communale 1, 1450 Chastre, Belgium e-mail : [email protected] tel : +32 485 96 69 86 _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~gtg-user Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~gtg-user More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
