Well my point is more that I think we could do this without needing cheetah, or at least I would like first to know what future functionalities could bring cheetah, in a strategic point of view. And don't get me wrong: I'd also be very glad to have this in 0.2, and I'm ready to help for it.
Among your solutions, my present opinion is to follow number 4: having a set of basic templates that don't depend on cheetah, and having a separate plugin called "Support for cheetah export templates" that would allow powerful export capabilities. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Lionel Dricot <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm personally not against the dependency and I definitely hope to see the > export feature in 0.2. I don't think that the fact that cheetah is mainly > used for web dev should be a factor. Most users don't understand the > dependencies (which user could explain why he needs to install configobj > before installing GTG ?) Dependencies have/should never been/be a user concern. They are just a burden for distribution and maintenance, which also has to come into account. > One easy solution would be to have a plugin. > > So, for 0.2, I see the following solutions : > > 1) We drop the export feature (it would be really sad to do that only > because of a dependency. I'm strongly against it) > 2) We add the dependency and write about it in the release note > 3) We put the whole export feature in a plugin (our plugins already handle > dependencies) > 4) We have the export features works alone but only have some templates > depends of cheetah. Those templates could then be packaged as plugins and > their dependencies would be handled automatically. > 5) Disable the export feature if cheetah is not found. > > In fact, the idea I have is to make each export template a plugin. That > way, it would be easy for people to develop their own templates and you can > imagine more complex templates (with pre and post processing commands). > > My choices, in order : > 4 - but maybe not possible for 0.2 > 2 - IMHO, export should not be a plugin, it's a core feature > 5 - Not discoverable but better than nothing > 3 > 1 > > > > For now, I'm more concerned about the revert of Luca. Because the initial > merge was a bit unorthodox, are you sure that the revert only reverted your > work? Are the other commits (like Kevin fix for drag-n-drop crash) still in > trunk ? This is, IMHO, way more important than the dependency. > > Lionel > > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:56:39 +0100, Bertrand Rousseau > <[email protected]> wrote: > > (sorry for the double mail Luca. I always forget to use reply all) > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Luca Invernizzi > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Uhm, I just pushed the code to trunk. I believe that the benefit of > >> having the possibility to export the list in any way you want overcomes > >> the downside of the added dependency. This is a feature that the other > >> task editors do not have. > >> > > > > Sure, but this feature doesn't require a full-blown templating system > IMHO. > > Users could as well create python-based code generators, we could just > > agree > > on what data structure is passed, that wouldn't be a lot harder to do. > > Creating such code generator is not complex. I've already done many > times > > to > > generate simple to complex files. > > > > > >> Just try it. If you don't like it, I'll remove it. > >> > > > > Well, I certainly think your export feature is awesome. I could try it > some > > hours ago, and it sure adds a great potential to GTG (we are clearly in > > need > > of an export feature). But for me it's not worth an added dependency. > > Besides, as 0.2 is now a matter of days, I don't think it is wise to add > a > > new dependency now, since that should be more extensively discussed to > > assess its advantages and inconveniences. So I'm personally more in > favor > > of > > introducing a simple python-based templating system for 0.2, and not > > cheetah. > > > > > >> Luca > >> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:16:08AM +0100, Bertrand Rousseau wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Cheetah is a very nice templating system, I've already used it. It's > >> > powerful and well written. > >> > > >> > However I'm not very fond of adding such a dependency to GTG, it > feels > >> > a > >> bit > >> > out of place for an organizer to depend on an app that is generally > >> > used > >> for > >> > web development, and I fear people would be a bit astonished about > >> > having > >> to > >> > install such a powerful feature for an organizer (I would). > >> > > >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Luca Invernizzi > <[email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> > > Sorry for the double mail. Cheetah is: > >> > > - in active development > >> > > - stable since 2001 > >> > > - used (http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/whouses.html , > >> > > http://linuxgazette.net/ uses it) > >> > > - small (200k) > >> > > > >> > > So I believe it's a good dependency > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Luca Invernizzi < > >> [email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello, > >> > > > for the export/print function I'm currently writing > >> > > (lp:~gtg-user/gtg/export), I'm looking into using cheetah (a > template > >> > > interpreter in python), just to avoid reinventing the wheel. > >> > > > That means adding python-cheetah to gtg dependencies. 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