On Apr 2, 2005 8:49 PM, Christian Biere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel Grace wrote:
> > On Apr 2, 2005 1:40 AM, Christian Biere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm not sure what's the best place to put the tigertree. One
> > > possibility is to use the fileinfo infrastructure and just
> > > put it into the partial file. Otherwise, the tigertree needs
> > > to put into a separate file which is somewhat uglier to handle.
> 
> > I wasn't even thinking of where to store stuff when gtk-gnutella is
> > closed. That _is_ an interesting problem. If we stick it in the
> > partial file, we risk breaking the ability to view/read/hear the
> > partial.
> 
> The fileinfo stuff is added behind the end of the file. If the
> download is finished, the file is truncated to get rid of
> that.

Doh! Why didn't I even think about the possibility of adding to the
_end_ instead of the beginning? Yes, that does seem much better
compatibility-wise.

> > I know that mplayer is pretty good about playing movies/music
> > even if it has garbage at the beginning, but I don't think we should
> > assume that everyone will be using such forgiving programs.
> 
> Well, since it's not at the beginning but the the end, there
> shouldn't be a problem for files that can actually be used
> as partials at all. I don't even had problems with pre-viewing
> JPEGs this way. If the player/viewer is broken, it's broken -
> not our problem, IMNSHO.

While I agree that at the end of the day if it comes down to adding a
feature or not because of someone else's brokenness, we should go
ahead and add it, I was just trying to find a way to do both. Sadly,
the way to do both was as obvious as adding to the end of the file
instead of the beginning.

> > > One further issue is that Gtk-Gnutella cannot download files
> > > without knowing the filesize in advance. There were some
> > > half-baken attempts to fix this but it's very bug at the moment.
> 
> > Cannot download without knowing the filesize in advance? Ouch. I can
> > see where that might be a problem though, given untrusted sources.
> 
> Technically, we cannot "trust" the filesize from the search results
> either. It's really just a problem in the download logic which
> uses the filesize for hashtables and creating the fileinfo trailer.
> This would need to be delayed until the first source could be
> contacted. If the sources then disagree about the filesize that's
> actually not different from now.
> 
> Anyway, maybe it's not that good to reuse the download facility
> to download the tigertree at all. It might be better to use
> the lower level http stuff e.g., like gwebcache.c.

Some interesting problems to ponder. I work a 12 hour night shift for
the next two days (at least), so have time to do little more than work
and sleep. I have been, however, going over these things in my mind at
work. I appoligize for the seemingly endless discussion with no code.
It seems on this email I didn't have much to contribute besides "oh, I
see your point." Perhaps pondering things at work will bring to light
more issues that need discussion first.

> --
> Christian

~Daniel


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