it seems that whenever i stick a box widget into a scrolled window, the scrolled window fails to take on the natural size of the box, but instead seems to shrink to be about as small as it can be. my normal workaround for this is to use set_usize() to pre-establish some minimum size. having read havoc's description of why this is a bad idea, i am trying to figure out how to get a scrolled window to assume some "natural size". basically, i am the scrolled window to allow the *possibility* of scrolling, but only if the user takes actions that add more widgets to the container within the scroller. when the program starts up, i'd like the scrolled window to be large enough for its current contents (which i know will be a reasonable size). hints ? --p -- To unsubscribe: mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null