Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati...@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 28., V, 2:33): > > Hi! > I have some ideas, suggestions and questions, based on this two videos > that someone replied in one thread of mails when I was first getting > in touch with the community. > [1] > https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/practical-verifiable-software-freedom-with-guixsd/ > [2] https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/usingguix/ > I don't know much about video editing in the technical aspect of if, > but maybe my ideas could help. I have been reading about some > concepts, however. > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:02 AM Björn Höfling > <bjoern.hoefl...@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 06:13:52 +0200 > > Ricardo Wurmus <rek...@elephly.net> wrote: > > > > > While screencasts can be useful, I don’t think they are the most > > > useful tool to convey ideas. Much of what’s special about Guix is > > > not the command line user interface, but the underlying ideas. These > > > are better illustrated, I think, with the help of graphics as we have > > > been doing for years when introducing Guix to new audiences. > Here, the first question, I would ask myself is: what is the purpose > of the video and who the audience of the video is?
This is a very important point to discuss. > It is not the same making a general video promoting guix with it's > features and conveying ideas to users/sysadmins/contributors - even > different kind of contributors - than doing so to people that are > already interested in using, applying guix, or contributing and want > to know the technical aspects because they prefer to have a first > approach with them and then read the documentation. I believe, there is a demand for both types of documentation, but uncertain about the priorities. The current project description reflects the technical aspects type instead, or rather a hybrid approach, like: introduce a concept, then show how that concept can be applied. I can think of a solution, where videos are grouped around the concepts, one (or more, targeted to different audiences) video to introduce a concept/feature/idea, and then a few more to show the technical apects/ implementation. WDYT? > > I thought the videos are not for transporting general ideas, but to > > show the daily usage of guix. And that is using the command line. By > > showing common tasks the general idea gets transported (i.e. while > > showing guix package -i, guix package --list-generations, guix package > > --roll-back the idea of transactional package management is conveyed, > > without much abstract words). > When I first read the Ourteachy project, I thought that the videos had > to be technical, showing howtos, as Bjorn mentioned. > But for the first case (promoting, conveying ideas, to any of the > people the audience involves) maybe screencasting is more appealing to > the person that is watching them. It comes to my mind having someone > speaking, and showing graphics, diagrams, something like [1] - now I > realize that I have always watched screencasted tutorials and courses > and most of them in English. Translation in this case is more > difficult, it is true. I guess you mean something like [2] here. Yes, my ideas are similar. If you could have a look at the second version of the graph I attached here, you can see, that the screen recording and the narration aspects are completely separated, and the narration is not necessarily a single video, but instead a set videos. That makes both recording and translation more tractable. WDYT? > > > One concern is also translations and future updates. Recording a > > > terminal session with screencasting software makes it impossible for > > > us to easily translate the video. When command line interactions are > > > to be shown I’d prefer to have a way to reproduce / regenerate the > > > output in a different locale automatically, i.e. using scripts. > > > > When I thought about translations, I thought only about the speech and > > subtitles. Of cause you are right, the command line should be localized > > too! > Yes, I was thinking at first > Are you planning to translate them to specific languages, or to as > many as possible, even on demand, in the future? It would be nice to have the ability to translate on demand in the future. The second version of the graph I have posted is created with keeping that in mind, that is one of the reasons why it has so many selection and composition steps. (Another reason is to have a versitality of outputs). > > > We can easily mix what amounts to a narrated slideshow with scripted > > > command line sessions (cf asciicasts). This can easily be automated, > > > so that we can rebuild the video and update it with minimal effort to > > > prevent it from getting stale. > As regards the technical/howto ones, I was thinking also of something > like this. Some slides for the concepts with then cli sessions. > > > > When I said screencasts I first thought of handmade ones within well > > prepared (and documented) environments and a script/stage > > directions and script for automatic cutouts from the raw recordings. > > > > Then I thought of this puppet we have for qemu-tests: Is it possible to > > use it in order to controll the virtual machine, screencast it and get > > back certain events like terminal keywords in order to start/stop/pause > > the cast? > > > > This is my first time I heard of asciicasts. You mean the program > > asciinema and it's protocol asciicasts (https://asciinema.org/)? That > > looks cool. Can it be used to produce rendered films too? > > I have the same question here :-) > > Automating the process as much as possible is a good idea. Can we get > > that bitwise reproducible? :-) > > Actually I believe we can :-) > > [..] > > > > > We can host the videos on http://audio-video.gnu.org/ and embed > > them > > > on the Guix website, but the sources should be added to the > > > guix-artwork repository, I think. > > > > Yes, that site looks good, I watched videos from it in the past. > Where are all the videos already created for guix and guixSD, apart > from [1] and [2] and the one on the official site? Having this > answered, maybe it is clearer which videos are needed the most, the > ones conveying ideas, the technical ones, or if both, which ones are > more important. Do we have any more? Maybe some conference recordings, or from the last guix day? Do we have a place where links are collected? > > > The videos could also be published on Mediagoblin instances, but I > > > don’t know if there’s an instance for GNU packages. GNU Guix does not > > > currently have its own Mediagoblin instance. > > > > We don't have a Mediagoblin package yet :-) > > > > Björn > Regards! > Laura > Best regards, g_bor
