Hi, On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: >>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
(skipped) > For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary, > using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers > to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME > and systemd are certainly not lock-in. I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source code to support systemd (or you will face something like this - https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions). Also, a lot of system daemons has eaten by systemd (and to make it works some forks were created like eudev). Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires systemd to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ? > > A non-commercial clause is directly opposed to the four freedoms (in > particular freedom 0). In fact a number of otherwise-could-be-free > software licenses have been deemed non-free solely for this type of > thing. Unless I misunderstand what you mean by "non-commercial > clause". > > I don't think it's appropriate to state that software that doesn't > follow KISS can be considered non-free... how does one even measure > that? By whose definition is software not "simple"? Many people would > suggest that GCC, glibc, Emacs, or other flagship GNU packages are not > "KISS". Similarly, there's no concrete definition of "*NIX principles" > that one can use. Who will decide? Again many people would suggest > Emacs, with its "editor as an OS interface" construction, doesn't > follow *NIX principles. I don't see how these criteria can be used to > measure software freedoms, other than by each person individually > according to their own tastes. > > As with all free software, if someone feels that some software is not > KISS (enough) or not *NIX (enough), they can avail themselves of their > four freedoms and modify that software as they like, and distribute it > to anyone else they like. > > > -- Alexander Vdolainen, Evil contractor.
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