I am all for these conversations; they are good to have as a society, to examine our social foundations in earnest dialogue. But I think they've approached a point on here where they're no longer about Guix development, in particular, so probably should be moved off-list.
Martin Becze <[email protected]> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > My point to here is not to argue a "libertarian" viewpoint (I'm not > one), but to argue that there or other consideration to mining crypto > and that it is outside the realm of the free software movement from > which Guix's package inclusion policy is derived. You or I might not > like or agree with the over viewpoints but that should be fine with in > the context of free software and operating systems. This is also > foundational to liberalism and having a functional government in the > first place. > >> Who is going to pay and provide all of this > I personal think it would be wonderful if governments focused on > providing those things and mechanism such as the harbinger tax could > be great and removing control of the monetary supply from the state > would greatly reduce its ability to fund military expenditures. For > reference David graeber's Debt: The First 5000 Years is an interesting > narrative of how money's evolution was impart driven by the waging of > mass war. > > On 2/24/22 10:23, Hartmut Goebel wrote: > >> CW: politics below >> >> Am 20.02.22 um 21:39 schrieb Martin Becze: >>> But undermining the governments ability to raise tax and therefor >>> to wage war or not expending energy to prevent government theft is >>> the ‘controversial morality’ that I am sure can be agreed to death >>> and which probably doesn't belong on this list. >> >> Undermining the governments ability to raise tax also means >> undermining the ability to build schools, kindergartens, public >> libraries, public transport, streets, etc. Who is going to pay and >> provide all of this, If there is no democratically controlled(*) >> government? >> >> You might argument that this will then be paid be wealthy people - >> but the country will depend solely on their will and want. And these >> wealthy people are not controlled at all. And these people might >> wage war, too. We already had such a system in the medieval >> time. It:s called feudalism. >> >> So nothing is won by undermining the government. >> >> (*) Democratic control still needs a lot of improvement. Esp. in the >> USA where „the winner takes it all“ results in a two-party system, >> which does not represent the people. But this is another issue. >> >> > > [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; > OpenPGP_0xB97E95F9DED5755D.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]]
