That's what I dreaded. And, that is why, I wish there was a similar plug-in
for WE. So that it would work even with boxes shown in other software -
which is not webpages. Nrton is only one example of software that uses this
kind of security messurement, and I am afraid we have to expect more to
come.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Requesting setfile/script
No it won't. You must use Firefox 3.0 or later in order to use Webvisum.
Webvisum is a Firefox add-on, meaning the software is plugged into
Firefox.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peter Beasley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "WE English mailing list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Requesting setfile/script
Thanks! I guess you ean the feature for reading confirmation graphics?
Will that utility work when operating other software? Or, is it only on
the webpages? I.e, the example I gave in my message, with Norton
uninstaller, which does not run from a webpage, but as a standalone
software. Will the utility you sugest work there?
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Beasley
To: David
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Requesting setfile/script
It has already been done. There is a ulility called webvisum but inorder
to use it you need to have firefox installed on yourcomputer.
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: WE English mailing list
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Requesting setfile/script
Ok, can any of the staff members confirm this? Is it really so, that
if you are blind, stuck with whatever screen reader you want, you simply
HAVE NO CHOICE, but to stick with MicroSoft products; no matter what
those guys may think to be fun for you.
Well, my question gets highly interesting, even the more so, as the
development moves on. More and more computers, that you pick up from the
store, noaday, come all preloaded with a ton of software. Not only the
operating system, as were the case a few years ago; but AntiVirus, Backup
utilities, CD/DVD burning utilities - you name it. And, lately, I notice,
quite a few with some kind of office suite. The most common one of the
preloaded office suites - next to Office 2007 (from guess who), which I
have heard qutite a few comments about - is OpenOffice (where Java support
breaks us off). Then, a search on places like EBay, brings out Corel
Office as a good number three. And, the last few days, I notice here on
the list, we have heard about another suite - which I actually ave given a
try, but find quite slow and worksome - Easy Office.
If it was that easy, you just could throw out the 'trash' they preload
the computers nowaday, well, you would be left with a feeling, that you
really have better use for your money, than to buy trash. But, at least
one computer manufacturer, lately started to block your chances of
uninstalling certian ADDON software. Only way you can do it, is to call
the manufacturer, give them your credit card number, and after a second or
ten - when they have charged you US$50 - you get an uninstall code. My new
computer was - fortunately - not of that brand. Still it had stuff on it I
didn't want. Have you for instance tried to get rid of Norton lately? Yes,
go to their hoepage and download the uninstaller. All it does is to come
up with one of these NASTY - yet ooooh so popular - graphic boxes, showing
you a code, which you have to retype into an edit box. Helpful, for the
one sitting on his own, stuck with the screen reader? If ever GW, or
whoever else, could make a way around, how to read these confirmation
graphics; you would have served many a person a favor.
Fact is, that WE users are like most people: SICK & TIRED of always
having to be in the hands of MicroSoft. And, yet, it seems this is not
only a problem of WE. Other screen readers do have some cracks too. Yet,
it seems like some of them are in the path of doing something about it? Am
I saying GW ain't? NO, I just wonder what is being done. Is it GW's idea
to make WE only optimal with MS products, or do the staff have any
particular plans as to open up for at least one other alternative?
from before, the blind user is not just left with the expense of a new
coputer. He even has to pick up a screen reader, and maybe even a Braille
display. If he is forced - at top of all of this - to buy MS Office (which
can range everything from $100, to five times that price); it might just
make him somehow reluctant. Also, the screen readers grow - like all the
rest of the software - eating more and more resources and power off from
the system. This means, that even if you have a system, which runs nicely
with your old screen reader, but then you want some of the new features
(scripting or whatever else), you might just end up having to buy a new
computer. And - wel take a guess - what is on that new computer? Three
tons of software, that might be handy, nice, great, and even just what you
are looking for; ... but, the screen reader can't do the job! Money for a
new computer, money for upgrading the screen reader - and you are stuck
with your 'good' old software... You see my frustrating point?
OK, back to opic: Has anyone figured out a setfile/script for ANY
alternative office pack? you name it Corel, EasyOffice, or heywire - I
don't mind the name - just think we are in the line for getting hold of a
cheaper alternative, to MS Office. Even if it can't do all THE FANCY
STUFF, of MS Office - whcih I guess most of us never uses anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: erik burggraaf
To: David
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Requesting setfile/script
Hi David.
I seem to remember some one saying when window-eyes 6.0 came out
about how nice all the microsoft office features are, but what about corel
stuff? The gw staff reported at the time that corel was flat disinterested
in working with gw micro.
The new script functionality definitely opens up posibilities for
third party extentions, but unless corel's stance has changed in the past
year regarding accessibility, it's doubtful that gw staff will invest much
in it.
Best,
Erik
erik burggraaf
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On 21-Aug-08, at 12:10 PM, David wrote:
On one of my computers, there is installed Corel WordPerfect X3
Office suite. The latest setfile I can see in the setfile manager, for
WordPerfect, is for WP12. And I tried to load that one. Seems like it
works quite ok, from the short test of mine, with the WordPerfect text
editor, itself.
But the WP Office suite also contains a spreadsheet - Quattro Pro.
I tried to open it, and loaded one of my MS Excel spreadsheet into it. It
loaded OK. But when moving the cursor up/down, with the arrow keys,
Win-Eyes does not speak anything. The Braille display just sits on the top
ruler (reading A B C D ...). I noticed that the contents of the cell is
two lines above this 'ruler' line, and tried to define an user window,
using INS-F4/F5. Then setting WE to show the user window (CTRL-B). But it
doesn't work. The Braille display goes heywire, sometimes showing the cell
contents, soetimes showing a blank line, and sometimes showing whatever
else it finds on the screen, and thinks I would enjoy putting my fingers
on. :) And, the speech? Hm! It only reports 'blank'. Not really funny...
:)
I did realize, that if I set WE to trak the mouse, instead of
tracking focus, it gets somehow better. But then, when I want to select
something from the menus - i.e from the file- or view- menu - neither
speech, nor Braille will help me out, till I return to 'track focus'.
Has anyone been using quatttro pro? Do you have some tips, or does
anyone have a setfile / script that will do the trick?
In the same token: Has anyone of you been working with WP Mail;
found in the same suite from Corel.
Some techs: The software is named Corel WordPerfect Office X3, and
it seems like it was released in 2006. I am running WinXP Pro, all
updates, and WE 7.0Beta2.
Thanks for any feedback!
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