Hello. What I'm thinking is that perhaps a podcast might be in order
because typing out what I did, my conclusions, etc regarding this topic
would take a long while and I can better communicate this by speaking,
rather than by typing. Basically what I did was go to a local computer
shop, check out the netbook, open notepad, type some text. Then pressing
fn-key I held down the 7 key and the j key. If it performed home and
end, then it will work with Window-Eyes default hot keys for the mouse
pointer. If again, in this same window, you hold down fn-key and press 9
and l, and it does page up and page down. fn-key with 8 and k performs
up and down arrow, then you are good to go. The msi wind failed 100% in
this category however I did not realize this until after I had ordered
it. The other thing to consider is the sound chip. Most are using
Realtec, however some like the HP models might be using Soundmax and
that is a lesser, and cheaper audio chip. If you are a fan of Eloquence,
you may find that with the soundmax, you get less than adequate
performance. Switching too DECTalk Access 32 may be in order. Lastly the
keyboard is a big issue for me. The MSI has a great keyboard except that
the comma, period, and slash keys are too small I think and thus caused
me to make much typos. The Acer keys feel a bit spongy and are too small
for me. The Asus was the one I ended up with because the fn-key and the
embedded number pad works, the keys feel solid, and the keys are in the
same place. The only flaw so far with the Asus is the right-shift key is
regular square size and so I must reach further over to tap the right
shift key, otherwise I press up arrow. However I got this netbook,
knowing this and it's one minor inconvenience when compared to all the
other issues.
Hope this helps.
DayStar Promotions wrote the following on 2/24/2009 2:06 AM:
Raul,
You mention in your post below that the differences between one netbook
and another comes in where the mouse left click, right click, drag and
drop and other mouse moovment keys are located on the metbook keyboard.
That is assuming I opt not to add a number pad to the mix. Is it that
Window-Eyes designates where these keys will end up being on the
keyboard, or are you talking about where these keys are physically
located on the keyboard and if they are located in a convenient mannor.
I'm wondering how I would be able to figure out the conveniency of key
location without first being able to load Window-Eyes onto these
machines. I don't have big hands and I was thinking that, if the keys
are inconveniently located, a stretch may end up being too cumbersome to
deal with over and over. However, because of the key size, I would
prefer the HP Netbook over the others. I say that I don't have big
hands, but they are not so small either and would want to have something
relatively simular to a full sized keyboard as possible. I have been to
a local Best Buy store and felt the HP Asus and the Acer and I like the
HP for key size, at least in an on the spot comparison of how the
different keyboards feel, but after seeing your post below, I'm not sure
how I should go about figuring out which one will work the best with
WE. Perhaps the 2% difference between the HP and the Asus really won't
make that much of a difference for what I would be using the unit for,
note taking, some emailing and web browsing and doing a home Bible study
from the Online Bible.
On another note, I am a loyal Window-Eyes user since 1991 so I am
relying on your answers herein as a knowledgable Window-Eyes user. From
a technical standpoint, is there one or two of these mini machines that
will shine brighter as a home for Window-Eyes 7.x? All things being
equal, then I need to figure out which keyboard is the most logically
layed out and easiest to navigate WE commands and screen accessibility.
I am in school now and our local State agency will soon be upgrading my
Window-Eyes 5.5 version and doing some other things for me to
accommidate the schooling, which in fact I am not getting a netbook
for. I am a local piano tuner and I would like to have something
portable for invoicing and other things for that work as well.
Thanks for answering all of my concerns above for me.
Blessings,
John
At 08:40 AM 2/23/2009, you wrote:
Hello. Unfortunately there is not other than searching this archive
for the basics, and to use the Window-Eyes key describer. However the
following is a basic list. For more specifics, you will have to play
around a little with the key describer.
While holding the fn-key down the following keys are the number pad
equivalently.
m 0
j 1
k 2
l 3
u 4
i 5
o 6
7 7
8 8
9 9
Where it gets different is the 4 keys to the right side of these. The
keys I'm talking about are the 0 p semi and slash keys. Sometimes
going from top to bottom they are number pad plus minus star and
slash. However on my netbook they are different. I had to just use the
key describer to figure it out. The cool thing is that on my netbook,
the slash is the slash so that makes it easy to remember. If I need to
do a left click, I hold down fn-key-slash and that does the number pad
slash key, giving me a left click. If I want to read the current line
of the cursor, normally control-numpad-5, I hold fn-key-control-i.
Hope this helps.
Millie's Mom wrote the following on 2/21/2009 10:58 PM:
Is there somewhere I can find a list of which keys do what when using
the FN-Key. I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro. I checked out the
user's manual, and well, it tells you all about the FN-Key and what
everything doses, but Window-Eyes reads the PDF document just
fine--just not all the little pictures that are on the keys.
Do the FN-Key functions change from labtop model to laptop model, or
are they fairly consistent from laptop to laptop?
I know which keys are supposed to be the numpad keys, but which key
is the numbers lock??? Also, does it default to on or off each time
you restart, or is it just set to whatever it was on last?
Thanks in advance to anyone to can help!
Theresa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]>
To: "GW Info Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Laptop question
Hello Bob, you will want to check out appendix a of the Window-Eyes
manual which shows the layout for the various keyboards. I personally
use the default layout and make extensive use of the fn-key which is the
second key from left to right on the bottom left part of your keyboard.
Manny thanks.
bob jutzi wrote the following on 2/20/2009 4:58 PM:
OK, I just bought an Asus netbook, installed Window-eyes, and
changed to
Laptop keyboard layout. How do I activate my WE cursor in order to
manually read the screen?
Not sure as I never extensively used a laptop until now.
Bob
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