Hi Ray!

Right on! The Sense products are left out because of all of this as well! 
Why can't websites allow for an Mp3 stream or Windows media stream in 
addition to what is available since most PCS have Windows Media Player!

Jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray" <[email protected]>
To: "James Aldrich" <[email protected]>
Cc: "jesse" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: the flash streams again


The Flash player is being used all over  now, not to mention the dratted
Quicktime Player..  Trouble with these often boils down to them being
embedded within the web page, rather than implemented on the site as a stand
alone player.

Unless the website designers have made an extra effort - as the BBC has done
here with it's IPlayer - we get left out of the convenience of navigating
these streams and adjusting volume.

Can I ask, and not trying to be unduly controversial here, but isn't this
just the sort of thing the American organisations of blind people usually go
to court about?

Failing that, is their nothing GW and other screen reader manufacturers can
do to address this?

Surely accessible streaming for us is as crucial, if not more so, than most
others.

Ray.

James Aldrich wrote:
Hello all!

I couldn't agree more!  I'm so pleased Jesse brought this up!

I could start and stop the flash player with my MSI Wind.  That's all I
could do!  Since I use USB headphones, I simply turn down the sound card
which is fine with me!

My Asus PC is another matter!  Quite often I can get something to play! If
it does, all fine and good.  If I find a button which could start or stop
play or take me to another song, I hit enter and I get "settings" or "about
flash player ten".  How can I get this not to happen and have the buttons at
least function?  I of course don't care much about Flash Player but it is a
pain when i can't get it to function as I'd like it to function.  Also, web
developers don't label their buttons!  On
http://www.theradio.com
when using Window Eyes, the buttons disappear altogether!  If I use System
Access, turn that off to turn on Window Eyes, the buttons work and they
function under Window Eyes then.  If I go in cold with Window Eyes on the
site i mentioned, I don't see the buttons!

Please feel free to write me privately if you have an idea on how I can fix
flash player in my Asus PC other than installing it to uninstall it to
install it again!

Thanks so much!

Jim


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jesse
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:37 PM
  Subject: the flash streams again


  Hi guys.  Although not entirely a Window-Eyes question, maybe there are
some ways to navigate pages like this.
  [email protected]
  Try using the volume slider on a page like that.  It reads volume but
there doesn't seem to be any one specific way to route the cursor and use
the arrow and-or left mous clicks to raise and-or lower the volume, or is
there?

     Then, there's this bear of a stream.
  http://www.flyfmkingston.com/listen-online.htm
  Similar set-up but, from what a sited person said, when on the volume
button, all hitting enter does is mutes it, nothing more.

     Luckily, there are some newcap streams which utilizes winamp and makes
the whole process easier.
  http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/ckixfm.pls
  Oh to be able to have that same sort of control for CIHT and CFLY.  Is
that to much to ask or are there certain keystrokes that can make these
flash pages workable without some sited person dragging the mouse over top
of the volume slider?
  Jesse

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