Of all the messages I've seen on this subject Paulette's belowe is one of the
most valuable.

We shouldn't forget that Braille for some vi and blind people is such a
comfort zone.  I could never note take when studying at the same speed I could
get up to with the old Braille 'n' Speak.  (Don't know how good a speed
merchant the Voice Sense is.)

We shouldn't get too doctrinaire about this and realise that for some extreme
portability plus Braille input makes a lot of sense, albeit at a price.  For
some a kinder environment somewhat removed from Windows is also welcome.

I am well known here for being critical of the price many pay, I think
unnecessarily, for JFW in the UK considering many of the people I'm thinking
of who have it aren't working intensively in, say, multi-track editing or
speaking to their computers all day long.  If you must do those things then
you might justify the outlay and think of it as an investment.

Let's not forget too that a good many in education and employment get the up
front costs of the more exspensive gear met out of Government funding so often
there's not a direct link between a paying blind customer and the vendor. 
That's important when it comes to how responsive suppliers are to needs
expressed by individual users.

Interesting Appple has occured more than once in this conversation.  Good
machines, well made, good operating system with in-built access (but at a
price).  Remember to upgrade your Voice Over you have to upgrade the OS, which
is an outlay of more than a hundred pounds in UK money almost every year.  I
don't know how good Voice Over will get but many are seeing it as an escape
route from expensive Windows access programs.  (Don't be too reassured by the
much vaunted superiority of the Mac though as I keep hearing stories of
battery failures, laptops waring out quite quickly, and oh yes, bugs too.  No,
Apple can't be dismissed just because there are bugs, just that you get the
impression some times that such things never happen in this superior
environment.  As for IPhones and the like, wel, with these and IPods one could
be forgiven for wondering if Apple's in the computer business any more, but
when, if ever will IPhones become accessible?  This is one place vi people
won't be going any time soon, I'd have thought for their all in one portable 
needs.

This from someone who may well by a Mac eventually but won't be forsaking
Window-Eyes.

Cheers,
Ray.

Ray

Paulette Vickery wrote:
Hi all,

Those off the shelf main stream devices are great, but my Voice Sense, or as
I like to call it, my Braille Berry, has one thing they don't have. It has
the ability to let me write in grade 2 braille as a braille document or in
grade 2 braille as a text document. Yes, I can write in grade 1 print, if
you will, writing out every letter of every word on a quirty keyboard, but
like many of us, I learned how to write braille first. It is my first
written language. When it comes down to really learning or writing fast and
feeling comfortable, give me a device that understands braille every time. I
also prefer the Voice Sense over other note taker devices because of its
size. I can put it almost anywhere. So that is my Two cents about the Voice
Sense. Smile.

Paulette

Paulette


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