why not rip the cds with no trailing silence or ending scilence introduced with in the music? easy cd da extracter can do this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "erik burggraaf" <[email protected]> To: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: gaples output was Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some
Heh, I feel compelled to interject here on the subject of gapless output. For starters, the book sense hardware is more than up to the job. There's a 500 mhz processer and 128 megs ram to be getting on with. That is more resources than my current windows mobile pocket pc has. I don't know what the spec of my talking sansa e series is, but I do know what it is not, and that is anything close to 500 mhz. I don't know why it is this way, but the mp3 format itself is designed to gap the songs on your player. The mp3 cd you played in your cheep player had gaps in it, not because the processer couldn't handle gaps, but because the gaps were introduced into your mp3s by the encoder, which for some reason is by design. So, what we need to do is build a crossfader into the firmware of the book sense. The crossfader would be designed to handle anything from fading songs in and out of one another, to managing the delay between songs by fading the gaps together. This can be done for sure for sure. My sansa e series rockboxed has so many crossfade options and settings that I don't even know what half of them are fore and I've been meaning to get with the manual on that because it's a feature I use a lot. It's definitely something that can be handled within the firmware if the book sense designers should be inclined to ad the feature. Best, Erik Burggraaf Join me Wednesday, May 26th at CNIB Tech Aids fair in Toronto. I'll be at the assistive computing booth from 2 to 4 in the afternoon and circulating for the rest of the day. http://www.erik-burggraaf.com 888-255-5194 On 2010-05-07, at 10:03 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Evan and all, let me first start off by saying I agree that there should > be no pauses in albums which are not meant to have pauses. However, the > reason CD players don't pause, even the cheap ones, is because there is > no encoding/decoding. Also, this is the way CD players just work. Just > to prove my theory however, I purchased a cheap $20 CD player which also > plays MP3 CDs. If I play Dark Side of the Moon as a regular CD, I get no > pauses on this cheap player. However if I play a CDROM with the MP3s of > the same, I do get the pauses. This is because the player is most likely > taking some time to decode before it starts playing. One could argue > that Winamp doesn't do this on the PC, but the PC has way more > processing speed and muscle than the BookSense. So at least in this > case, the CD player comparison to the BookSense can't apply. > > Now I will go return the player. > > Many thanks. > > On 5/6/2010 4:08 PM, EVAN REESE wrote: >> The pause between tracks may be fine for many albums, however there are >> many others that are intended to be heard continuously, even though the >> tracks may have separate titles. When I first mentioned this issue here, >> Raul mentioned Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a particular >> example where the pause between tracks diminishes the listening >> experience. I can think of many others, both in the classic rock genre >> as well as in several subgenres of electronic music where the pause >> between tracks negatively affects the listening experience. And, as I >> said, many albums were not intended to be heard with pauses between >> tracks; so the Book Sense should not be inserting one. Whether there is >> a pause between tracks is something that should be left up to the >> creators of the music. Any portable CD player can play a CD the way it >> was intended to be heard, that is, without pauses between tracks if that >> is the way its creator wanted it to be heard. The Book Sense should >> function the same way for albums that were ripped from CD's. >> >> Evan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Weyler" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [GW-Booksense] New Voices, Features, and then Some >> >> >>> I like the pause between tracks although it has been awhile since I >>> have played any music so I can't remember how long the pause is. I do >>> like a pause between tracks. >>> Rita >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender >> only. 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