Yes, I did try hitting "alt" and using the mouse keys to read the menus. This didn't work however. I do appreciate the suggestion. Even V 10 of Jaws, which I don't use either, recognizes these menus. So we have Jfw, and NVDA doing something Window Eyes isn't yet capable of. Perhaps there should be a general script offered by Gw to allow for greater access with options allowing us to limit that type of access specifying parameters to a specific program only -- kind of like a firewall.
Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: diggy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:34 AM To: Andre Subject: Re: Script to expose msaa? okay, ii deffinatly do not know the programs you are talking about but i do have a suggestion. Andre have you tried using the WE mouse pointer cursers on the number pad to run though the menu bars int hes programs?.. i have found with some programs thati have had to use in the past, that te mouse pointer commands for the number pad, work amazingly. <diggy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre" <[email protected]> To: "'Stephen Clower'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Script to expose msaa? > How do you go about finding out what a program needs in terms of the > language it was written in? Like you mentioned it may have been written in > wpf? How would I find that out? > > One more thing: Why would NVDA be able to recognize what WE cannot, or > just > doesn't? I'm just asking. Is there something about the way NVDA is > designed > that makes this possible VS. how WE is designed? > > Thanks again, > > Andre > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Clower [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:10 AM > To: gw-info-gwmicro.com > Subject: Re: Script to expose msaa? > > Andre, > > Look at the WEEvent script from Script Central. I would suggest firing > it up and watching for all MSAA events. Perform some actions in > Expression, and then review what WE captured in the event history log. > That will give you an idea of what events you can script around. > > I suspect that the app itself is written in WPF for which little MSAA > support exists. But it's worth a try. > > Best, > Steve > > > On 7/17/2010 11:00 AM, Andre wrote: >> I'm trying to use expression web 4. Window Eyes 7.2 wouldn't read much of >> anything with regard to the setup and installation screens. Actually > neither >> would NVDA, but NVDA would read the "accept" "next" "I agree" buttons. > After >> just going ahead and installing it. NVDA does read the pull down menus: >> File, edit, view, etc, but Window Eyes does not. When I hit alt, We >> announces "context opening" or something like that. It doesn't even read >> file, edit, view, etc. Then as I arrow up and/or down, it reads Open if >> on >> the file menu. But it acts like it's stuck on that first menu item; > however >> as I continue to arrow down, I know I am crossing other menu items >> because >> NVDA does read them, but WE only says the first item when I hit the speak >> summary hotkey. As I arrow down, WE is silent, but if I hit the speak >> summary hotkey, WE only constantly reads the first item I crossed by me >> using the speak summary hotkey to check to see which item I am on. If I > hit >> alt and am on the file menu, if I arrow up, WE will tell me I'm on the > exit >> menu item, but again, it remains stuck on that item no matter if I arrow > up >> or down. >> >> If I'm so blessed to be able to hit alt and then right arrow with > lightening >> fast speed twice over to view, WE will always say I'm on the view menu. >> In >> that case, it won't even report the first item under the view menu after >> I >> hit the down arrow key. >> >> >> >> It may read the first thing under the edit menu as I arrow to the right. > But >> again it only recognizes that one item arrowing down. I don't even have > time >> to arrow through the menus. Window Eyes doesn't seem to give me time to >> arrow over to the view, format, and insert menus, but NVDA does, and NVDA >> recognizes all of them. NVDA says "collapseable" on some of the menu > items. >> >> >> >> I just wanted to give the scripters and expert WE users as much info as I >> could. >> >> Expression Web 4 uses the .net 4 extended framework. >> >> >> >> I know it must not use standard menus, so is there a script out there >> that >> makes these menus accessible? I used the msaa detective script and found > out >> that they do popup though. That's an interesting script. What can I do? I >> don't know NVDA well enough, and I would really rather use WE anyway. If >> much of MS Office is accessible, why wouldn't this program be.? >> >> >> >> As a nonscripter yet, how would I break down the steps necessary to >> create > a >> script like whether or not a program is going through msaa or is >> communicating by some other means? I know these are a lot of questions, >> so > I >> really appreciate the feedback and the time taken to answer these > questions. >> >> >> >> Much thanks as always, >> >> >> >> Andre >> >> >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is > related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to > [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >> >> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can > manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is > related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to > [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. 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