http://nvda-project.org
Press H, to go to the first heading.
Tab twice, to get to the Download link, Then press Enter.
First heading by hitting H, and choose the Installer.
Download and run the installer. By default, your NVDA will be installed
with the hotkey predefined as Alt-Ctrl-N, so as to load it. But all of
that, you will soon enough find out. Enjoy! It is not as advanced and
full of wistles and bells as the paid for screen readers, but then again,
many times gets you out of the bad situation when your paid-for stuff
packs up for a vaccation. I really wish, that the main screen readers
would have a kind of light version, without all these mirror driver and
belly things, so that you could have accomplished teh same thing, without
meddling with two or more readers on your system. Still, NVDA has come a
long way, when comes to operation. You can, with some training, acomplish
more or less all your daily activities, solely based on using NVDA. The
built-in voice is not the best, so try any other SAPI voice, like the
free ones (Mary or mike) from Microsoft. That is, if you are going to
make more excessive use of NVDA. For just an emergency reader, I
recommend sticking with the built-in voice, so as to have a minimal load
on your system, when you want the emergency run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch K" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: re loss of speech
I want to try David's solution to this loss of speech problem. That is,
loading NVDA, so can someone please tell me where I can download NVDA?
Butch
I can see your point in here. Yet, what I find quite a few times,
especially
under Internet Explorer, and this is with winXP Pro, is that when WE
stops
speaking, I can still load NVDA and have my work completed. Then, when I
close IE, WE will start speaking again. This does not make sense, if your
theory was always aplicable. Too often, NVDA gets you out of a bad
situation, when WE stops speaking. True, I agree, first you close the
troublesome webpage, WE might - and I repeat, Might - start speaking
again.
Now again, I am only on WE7.2, and so eagerly follow the loss-of-speech
reports, to see whether this kind of things will be somehow solved,
before
non-English users will have their hands on anything newer.
Yet, the loss of speech does not just occur on websites. It might likely
occur in cases of quickly alt-tabbing through the list of open windows,
and
which software are you meant to close down then; in the light of your
theory?
Another thing that I have noticed, quite a few times, and which I know
has
been mentioned back in time here, is this. In cases where WE stops
speaking,
simply loading NVDA might result in both screen readers start speaking
immediately. Someone, back when it was mentioned, suggested that this was
due to the fact that there had been a system jam, and that it
coincidentially would be loosening just at the moment when you happen to
load NVDA. I am afraid, I can prove such an idea wrong. In several cases,
when Eloquence stuff his suitcase with all the Window-Eyes stuff and goes
for lunch, I have let him have his lunch. For several minutes. No matter,
if
I wait for 10 seconds, or five minutes. Eloquence will not come back on
his
own. Then, when I think his lunch has been long enough, I either close
down
WE by help of a batch on the desktop with a hotkey, or I would sometimes
be
able to bring him back on work, as I said, simply by starting NVDA.
Somehow, I get the feeling, that simply starting the secondary screen
reader - NVDA - 'Kicks Eloquence in his rear end', and makes him go back
to
work. :)
True, there definitely are situations when neither NVDA, nor WE, nor any
other screen reader will come back. In such cases, only a restart will
work.
But the frequently speech-loosing in WE is a problem. Be as it will,
maybe
it is a Windows bug, but in such a case, Window-Eyes is extremely good at
bringing it out. Last night, for instance, I had to close and reopen a
series of webpages ten times or so, before Eloquence finally gave in, and
decided it was ok to read the contents. When I opened the page, Eloquence
would go for supper. Still, if I wanted, I could have completed my work
with
NVDA, without any page closing. How does that tie in with your theory?
Or,
are we simply talking about two different things?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1
hi,
the windows bug is really that when programs stop responding windows
programs trying to access deep levels of the operating system get thrown
out of the loop. what happens most of the time when you lose speech is
your running program x. program x stops working so now window-eyes
stops
speaking. is there anything wrong with window-eyes. no actually
window-eyes is working just fine it got kicked out of the playground so
to
speak buy the program that has stopped working. when or if you could get
the program that has misbehaved to close you would probably find that
speech returns. this is a problem with all screen readers jaws NVDA
and
even narrator.
here is an example.
was running internet explorer on the mlb sight this morning. explorer
stoped running. no speech started nvda to see if I could get speech
from
that no dice. finely just restarted the system. as soon as I started
explorer I was told that my web page caused a problem and would recover.
so I know that exploerer was what caused the problem.
oh started jaws with this test to and it would not speak either. but as
you say had windows sounds.
so just remember that every time you lose speech it might not be the
fault
of your screen reader. in fact here most of the time I have found buy
doing the research that it is another program that foobars everything.
jim grimsby skypejim grimsby
skype jim.grimsby
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mannion
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: tony c ; Alan Siman ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1
I have also had the problem with the loss of speech randomly on many
occasions and I do nt ever remember it being a total loss of sounds
under window 7. The need to reboot or at leastlog out at that point
always produces the window souns. The windows sound for the error
message that window-eyes is already loaded still plays. You can be
doing anything it seems when this loss of speech will randomly happen.
I created the batch file as suggested a while back and using it does
not allow window-eyes to be reloaded after it is used. I really wish
we could at least be told what the cause of this problem is instead of
us all validating it and nothing ever coming of it and hearing nothing
in response other than blaming the windows bug of loss of all sound
when that is not what happen.
On 6/23/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
As something you might try, put a shortcut to a batch file which kills
WE on your desktop and put a letter in the shortcut field and under
advanced options, check run as administrator. then if WE gets stuck,
press control-alt and the letter and shift tab when the user account
control comes up, wait a few seconds and you may be able to start WE
again.
tony c <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not using T B and it still happens. The last one was in WLM while
I
was trying to read a link address back to netflix customer service...
Tony C
From: Alan Siman
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1
I am having the same issue starting today. WE has crashed twice but
win7
sounds are still on and the same inability to close we is here. I
even
tried task manager and we would not close. I wonder if it is the tb
enhanced ap which I reloved and put back today.
On 6/23/2011 6:21 PM, Don H wrote:
The random loss of speech is no better with WE 7.5.1.
I understand that Windows 7 has a known bug where you loose all
sound.
But in these cases only WE speech stops. It can happen at any time.
When it happens I can't access the WE user interface and if you
attempt
to
reload WE you get the message that WE is already running.
The last time it happened to me was when I was simply trying to
check
a
checkbox in windows update. The time before that I was just using IE.
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