Yes, I know when this happens, but on reboot I am getting no error from iw
or outlook saying it had  problems. Looking through the error logs now.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1

hi,
the windows bug is really that when programs stop responding windows 
programs trying to access deep levels of the operating system get thrown out

of the loop.  what happens most of the time when you lose speech is your 
running program x.  program x stops working so now window-eyes stops 
speaking.  is there anything wrong with window-eyes.  no actually 
window-eyes is working just fine it got kicked out of the playground so to 
speak buy the program that has stopped working. when or if you could get the

program that has misbehaved  to close you would probably find that speech 
returns.   this is a problem with all screen readers jaws NVDA and even 
narrator.
here is an example.
was running internet explorer on the mlb sight this morning.  explorer 
stoped running.  no speech started nvda to see if I could get speech from 
that no dice.  finely just restarted the system.  as soon as I started 
explorer I was told that my web page caused a problem and would recover.  so

I know that exploerer was what caused the problem.
oh started jaws with this test to and it would not speak either.  but as you

say had windows sounds.
so just remember that every time you lose speech it might not be the fault 
of your screen reader.  in fact here most of the time I have found buy doing

the research that it is another program that foobars everything.




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-----Original Message----- 
From: James Mannion
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: tony c ; Alan Siman ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1

I have also had the problem with the loss of speech randomly on many
occasions and I do nt ever remember it being a total loss of sounds
under window 7. The need to reboot or at leastlog out at that point
always produces the window souns. The windows sound for the error
message that window-eyes is already loaded still plays. You can be
doing anything it seems when this loss of speech will randomly happen.
I created the batch file as suggested a while back and using it does
not allow window-eyes to be reloaded after it is used.  I really wish
we could at least be told what the cause of this problem is instead of
us all validating it and nothing ever coming of it and hearing nothing
in response other than blaming the windows bug of loss of all sound
when that is not what happen.

On 6/23/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> As something you might try, put a shortcut to a batch file which kills
> WE on your desktop and put a letter in the shortcut field and under
> advanced options, check run as administrator.  then if WE gets stuck,
> press control-alt and the letter and shift tab when the user account
> control comes up, wait a few seconds and you may be able to start WE
> again.
>
> tony c <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not using T B and it still happens. The last one was in WLM while I
>> was trying to read a link address back to netflix customer service...
>> Tony C
>>
>> From: Alan Siman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:34 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Loss of speech continues with WE 7.5.1
>>
>>
>> I am having the same issue starting today.  WE has crashed twice but win7
>> sounds are still on and the same inability to close we is here.  I even
>> tried task manager and we would not close.  I wonder if it is the tb
>> enhanced ap which I reloved and put back today.
>>
>> On 6/23/2011 6:21 PM, Don H wrote:
>>   The random loss of speech is no better with WE 7.5.1.
>>   I understand that Windows 7 has a known bug where you loose all sound.
>>   But in these cases only WE speech stops.  It can happen at any time.
>> When it happens I can't access the WE user interface and if you attempt 
>> to
>> reload WE you get the message that WE is already running.
>>   The last time it happened to me was when I was simply trying to check a
>> checkbox in windows update.  The time before that I was just using IE.
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