Hi: Some may think that what I am about to say is impertinent to say on a list like this which is dedicated to Window-eyes, but if I were to go into a workplace where they have a screen reader other than WE, I would be prepared to learn it, if I didn't know it already. With limited budgets these days, companies who have invested in one Screen Reading product, can hardly be asked to buy another screen reading product. If you were given a company car and it was a General Motors product instead of a Ford, would you complain, or if it was a standard instead of an automatic, wouldn't you learn to drive it? instead Kevin Huber On 3/26/13, Baracco, Andrew W <[email protected]> wrote: > As was mentioned, the problem arises when a software package is > proprietary and the company contracts with a screen reader vendor to > write scripts. This is what happened with some of our software > applications at the VA, and why I have to use JAWS for some of my work. > > > > Andy > > > > > > From: Janet Brandly [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:55 PM > To: David > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: DocuScribe from M*Modal and Window-Eyes > > > > Hello David, > > > > I'm thinking along the same lines as you. I have all ready asked the > company if there is a users manual and a demo version of the software I > could play with. I agree, it's about knowing the tasks to be performed > and not just what key strokes to apply that is the most important. I > tend to learn better on my own anyway. Thanks for the input, very useful > as always. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David <mailto:[email protected]> > > To: Janet Brandly <mailto:[email protected]> ; > [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: DocuScribe from M*Modal and Window-Eyes > > > > I give it another try: :) > > Janet, > I do not know anything about the software you are supposed to > work with. Neither have I ever heard about it. So what I here will deal > with, will have to stand for its general purpose. Yet, i thought to jump > in here, hoping that some of these thoughts will help you make the most > informed decision. > > > > I have been working with computers for three decades, and been > using adaptive technologies for even longer. This means, through the > years, I have had to switch from one technology to the other. Several of > these switches, have been under instruction from some kind of a teacher. > What I did find, is that many times, it did not really matter how well a > certain piece of adaptive equipment was designed or worked. Long as you > learn the principal way of handling certain tasks, you can easily handle > new or different equipment. > > > > Hence, when I have been instructing other blind people in the > computer usage, my main goal has always been to teach them so much > basics, that they would be well enough equipped to adapt with any piece > of equipment you put in front of them. Of course, this is not always > fully possible. We are different as humans, and some people are more > "fixed" on doing things according to very pre-cut rules. You will know > your own personality best, in this regard. > > > > At the same time, I often found that people who were to instruct > me, did see far more challenges than did I. Reason i guess, is that they > feel frustrated about a piece of equipment, that they easily could do > without. For you, me and the rest on this list, we know what it is like > to adapt with new things and ways of doing things - simply because that > is pretty much what all our life is about, adapting to the seeing world > around us. > > > > Based on all of this, and without really having had the chance > of working with JAWS specifically, I would say you should have pretty > good chances in performing the same effectively with Window-Eyes. Of > course, there could be things on the screen, that would not show up in > Window-Eyes, but due to JAWS handling the screen differently, you would > end up in a bad spot. As for that part, I would have to leave others who > know the software in question, to tell more. Still, I would say chances > are pretty high, that if you can work things with JAWS without any extra > scripts installed, you should have quite much the same chance of working > the screen with Window-Eyes. So, for one suggestion, get back to the > instructor, ask them whether JAWS users had to get anything extra (like > scripts), for tayloring the screen reader toward the software. > > > > If not, well then chances are,that you might have to perform the > same tasks, with slightly different keystrokes. And, this is where some > of my initial experience will apply. No matter how much experience the > instructor has, with JAWS, it won't do you much good. The best thing is, > if the instructor rather would tell you to move your mouse to the top > corner, and then three lines down from there, then right-click the icon. > The job for you, then would be to know your screen reader well enough, > that you actually know how to perform these kind of activities with > effeciency. Is there a chance, that you could let your potential > employer have you hooked up on a computer with the software installed, > and you had let them install Window-Eyes, and you could have had half an > hour in exploring the software? How many times, have I seen things to be > solved, simply by giving it half an hours chance. Many people, who are > not used to the challenge of being disabled, tend to think "Disabled". > Once they present you with the actual task, and give you the chance of > figuring it all, they are quite impressed how well and smoothly we > adapt. In a sense, I guess, your biggest challenge here will be to have > them willing to give you that chance. Just you tell them, that the > computer you need for testing, does not have to be giving any "real" > information. That is, they don't have to let you into sensitive parts of > some database. Long as the software can present its screens without > this, or if they make some imaginary entries, enough that you get a > touch of the actual screens of the software. Again, try to get into a > dialog with them, and see if you could get a chance of a short play. Not > only would you help yourself, but just imagine how many other potential > users with Window-Eyes, you could provide some experience. And, maybe > you even would broaden the minds of your potential colleagues and > employer. > > > > Again, I don't have any chance of giving specific and educated > advice on your particular query. Yet, I do hope this would prove some > helpful in your decision-making. > > > > Regards, > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Janet Brandly <mailto:[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:03 AM > > Subject: DocuScribe from M*Modal and Window-Eyes > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Has anybody had any experience using DocuScribe with > Window-Eyes? I have applied for, and successfully passed the online > testing for a position as a medical transcriptionist with a company > called M*Modal. They use a platform called DocuScribe; there is a new > version with a different name which I don't recall right now. The blind > transcriptionists working for M*Modal must use the previous version as > it is apparently not compatible with JAWS. I have just been informed > that, although they cannot specifically dictate which third-party > software a blind MT uses, their platform has been written for JAWS and > their support people, instructors etc., are only familiar with JAwS. So, > as it seems right now, they ar reluctant to hire me because I do not use > JAWS. Needless to say I have major issues with this. I have contacted > one of their instructors, and she does not believe that learning the > software with WE would be an issue, but I want to hear of others' > experiences first. Any input anybody has would be much appreciated. I am > currently using XP and WE 7.5.4. I was planning to upgrade today until I > read about all the problems people are having with lockups. > > > > Thank you so much, > > > > Janet > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. 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